except the meta says they can only heal
in 40 man raids, yes that is true.
that is only one aspect of the game.
not true, in end game pvp i saw a lot of people harass ret paladins because they were not a healer, or my friend get denied dungeon runs because he wanted to tank, it is in fact not just raids.
ding ding ding. It was insane how much hate paladins and druids got in Era, there is no need for it. This dudes brain just lacks critical thinking. Paladins and Druid players arent asking to be the new meta, or top dog. They want to be VIABLE and COMPETITIVE. EI: Slight bumps where they can tank raids, where they are accepted as dps in raids
thatâs just how it is for paladins in vanilla classic. believe me, i know. i played one 15 years ago. youâre a jack of all trades, so most of the time, people are going to want someone who can specialize for the important job of tanking. and your dps will never be as good as a pure dps class. so what does that leave? well, healing and buffing. thatâs just how it has to be. you can still be ret in 5 man dungeons or PvP. Iâve seen it done plenty of times. maybe you should just roll a different class. honestly, we could use fewer paladins if Iâm being perfectly frank. try a warlock for those DoTs.
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Again, Iâm fine with that, I accept that, but when it moves from that to borderline toxic harassment I think that is when it becomes unfair and not right, donât belittle someone and make them feel less because they want to have fun, especially in a BG or a dungeon.
I mean, you may be missing the strength of paladin healing. I imagine without world buffs, pally mana efficiency will really shine.
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But also, thereâs no real point in making assumptions as to what experience people have based on a forum avatar.
Anyway, youâre probably right that we wonât be getting a taunt for Paladins, but itâs an interesting thing to consider imo.
This is in the crusade patch.
This is a great idea, adding better seals for rets, the mana regen on heal, crusader strike, and maybe a seal of martyr would all be great additions.
too bad itâs not inline with SoMâs design goals of added difficulty.
I canât help but agree heavily with this, because then a Ret paladin plays with warriors in the same playground, the better geared will do better where as right now a better geared Ret pally simply still canât compete, top that with a Ret paladin would be hard pressed to even get loot because the meta dictates they either have low priority, or wonât even see the raid as Ret.
Unfair to warriors? The class that gets the tank spot AND the top dps spot?
In a normal cycle, sure. Maybe not the case with 8 lockouts a phase
Again All this could be solved all of the classes problems could be solved if they just give us wrath classes With 60 Talent points.
Yes paladins especially rets, need major buffs as they are not powerful enough and most players agree.
If they are to add TBC like balance to prots, mana on heal received and crappy taunt, I will roll prot pala.
Only reason I would do it⊠for a third time. I mean, yes, Iâve done prot pally in classic and release despite not being popular pre-TBC, but itâs just annoying without a taunt and mana on heal received.
Spiritual Attunement is what we really need. With Seal of Command and the right gear on you can actually put up some decent threat, could even sprinkle in some Kings spamming. The taunt would be helpful for sure still.
Sorry but I want a better version of vanilla with all classes viable! Period the way most classes work in vanilla are boring so make it fun!