If we’re to assume Blizzard is getting feedback from these threads, then it is likely that, to a certain extent, it would have an effect of some sort. I can’t imagine other ways to show how wanted a race is or how to share ideas and speculation about them. The last QnA stream did mention something that could be taken as them looking for feedback.
As for popularity, I’m sure that it can be a factor, but may not always be the case. It seems like what the story is currently also plays a huge factor in it. I can’t imagine some of the races got in because people were dying to play them. Of course, if popularity was the only factor, we’d be seeing some different races playable.
Honestly, I can take as best of an educated guess I could think of, but we really don’t know what Blizzard does with feedback or what they do when planning out content. It’s better to show support in some fashion than to just not have anything be represented, in my opinion. For better or worse.
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God, there’s nothing I want more than this race. I have a gilblin shaman character rn, and I would adore to have this as a playable race.
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Do they have shamans? Not that I’m opposed to the idea of GilGoblin’s entirely, I feel like the more I read this thread the more I come to realize just how much headcannon is currently being relied upon to justify this species as an Allied race.
As far as we’re aware (and I never saw this text my self, but I’ll take it at face value that its true) … Hobart is still attempting to find a way to return the intelligence of the GilGoblins (or, tbh, it sounds a bit more like he intends to make an entirely different subspecies with that intellect included; rather than repairing the original variant). As a result, the GilGoblin species is as follows:
- They are creations of Grapplehammer, who cannot legally claim them.
- They are incredibly new, likely dating back no further than 2 decades.
- They have suffered MASSIVE intellectual deficiencies due to their aquatic adaptations.
- A side effect of this is they are literally portrayed as being almost suicidally motivated by greed.
- Due to this they neither have an established culture, nor civilization; beyond very basic (and very contentious) tribal systems.
- They also seem to (in most cases) outright worship the Naga (so what we’ll be working with in Naz’jatar is unlikely to be a major faction of them).
Long story short, not even including the asset allotment needed to really overhaul these guy’s models in a fun way; they would almost need MORE story assets given to them than have EVER been given to core Goblins to really pull them off (especially since Naz’jatar is unlikely to be Goblin centered).
People can hypothesize all they want about Grapplehammer’s progress on finding a cure, or the rate of speed these people could develop once that cure is found … but its not represented in game in any way just yet. Hypotheticals and potentials are fun, but it should also be remembered just how truly destitute on lore and history GilBlins really are right now as well.
We’ve been through this before a bunch of times.
- They are creations of Grapplehammer, who cannot legally claim them.
- Hobart Grapplehammer made a statement during an earlier part of the war campaign that he is working on a formula to produce super intelligent Gilgoblins. Happens right after a quest that takes you into the deep sea. So perhaps it is true that he cannot legally claim them, but this also doesn’t mean that he can’t continue to perform experiments with them nor work with them. And it could also be that he just cannot publicly claim them. Maybe he keeps it a secret among the horde. It is also possible that blizzard did this so that Gilgoblins could be written as an independent race from goblins rather than a sub race.
- They are incredibly new, likely dating back no further than 2 decades.
- The thing you have to remember is that they are connected directly to goblins and thus share a similar history with goblins and it is also important to realize that goblins have only been freed from the trolls for about 100 years. A lot has transpired in that time.
3.> * They have suffered MASSIVE intellectual deficiencies due to their aquatic adaptations.
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They don’t have to be smart to be an enjoyable, likely and fun race. Perhaps these goblins have more of a magical affinity than most goblins.
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Hobart will be able to fix this if he finds a cure.
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It is possible they could have regained their intelligence back through some means. We will see what awaits in Nazjatar with them.
- A side effect of this is they are literally portrayed as being almost suicidally motivated by greed.
- This shouldn’t be used as an argument anymore as this is something that will change in Nazjatar.
4.> * Due to this they neither have an established culture, nor civilization; beyond very basic (and very contentious) tribal systems.
We’ve been over this again. It is subject to change.
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- They also seem to (in most cases) outright worship the Naga (so what we’ll be working with in Naz’jatar is unlikely to be a major faction of them).
They never worshiped the naga to begin with. Some of them were taken as slaves of the naga.
Long story short, not even including the asset allotment needed to really overhaul these guy’s models in a fun way; they would almost need MORE story assets given to them than have EVER been given to core Goblins to really pull them off (especially since Naz’jatar is unlikely to be Goblin centered).
- Vulpera only really has one zone mind you were they are actually your friends and that one zone is popularity by mostly Set’rak. Their are concentrated in mostly one camp. Outside of Voldun, you see them as mostly hostile.
People can hypothesize all they want about Grapplehammer’s progress on finding a cure, or the rate of speed these people could develop once that cure is found … but its not represented in game in any way just yet. Hypotheticals and potentials are fun, but it should also be remembered just how truly destitute on lore and history GilBlins really are right now as well.
And a reminder. Vulpera are not goblins. No allied race that has come out so far has every been something different than the same racial type it has. Mechagnomes are also highly speculated. And think about it. Gilgoblins and Mechagnomes are each the result of taking racial professions to the extreme. We don’t have an aquatic race right now even.
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especially since Naz’jatar is unlikely to be Goblin centered).
Voldun is Set’hrak centered. Not Vulpera centered. The have a camp in one small part of the map. Set’hrak have buildings all over the place and there are some troll ruins in the Northeast.
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I have to say I appreciate how constructive your posts are, even if you disagree
Admittedly that one involves a bit of headcanon, although I’d find it very weird if they couldn’t considering that kul tirans can via their water based casters. Rest assured, the other very likely classes I listed are shown ingame and lore to exist.
To be honest it’s just a little hard to discuss them without leaning into predictions since we’re so close to getting some insight. By all reason I think that we’ll be seeing more of their culture beyond some writings and architecture once we take part in those storylines they’ve mentioned, but we’ll just have to wait and see.
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Quick refresher on the steps to find it:
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Finish that quest that takes you deep into the sea. The one in which you have to turn lights on and off in dark waters and stuff. Finish that quest line.
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When you return to the banshees wail, finish all the remaining quests and some dialog and a few scene switches happen.
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Check below in the banshees wail ship. You should see Hobart fixing something. When you click in him he takes about Gilgoblins being one of his greatest achievements and then says something to the effect of that he hopes he will find a formula to create Gilgoblins with super intelligence. On multiple occasions. Not just this one, Hobart is seen claiming that he is very proud of his creating Gilgoblins. He does this despite not being able to claim them. I am going to check some of the statements made by him and report some more findings here tomorrow.
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It’s my personal belief that like void elves, gilgoblins dilute and defeat the purpose of regular goblins.
Gilgoblins and Mechagnomes are both examples of racial professions(Alchemy and Mekkengineering) taken to the extreme. We don’t have an aquatic and machine race yet and since the AR system has been releasing races of similar nature to each other, I’d say they go very nicely with each other. Besides. People aren’t giving Gilgoblins enough credit. They have glowing blue eyes, teeth, and some beautiful tattoos.
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Looks like I know which race I’m maining next.
Seriously, I love the goblin race. Now a soaking wet goblin race?
Bingo.
I hope they’re druids.
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Didn’t he make them accidentaly back in Cataclism?
I swear I remember him talking about them not being able to sue him because of accidentally making Gilblins in the goblin starting zone. Unless they’re not exactly smart, and he’s wanting to make smarter ones.
Or they’re retconning the lore…
"I just wanted to make sure that you appreciate all of the products that my genius has brought to the Kajaro Trading Company?
These include, but are not limited to:
Kaja’Cola, the Poultryizer, Town-In-A-Box, my Ingenious Cap of Mook Foolery, KTC Train-a-Tron Deluxe, the Amazing G-Ray, Never-Deflating Pool Ponies, the Big Ones, Warrior-Matic NX-01, and gilgoblins. No strike that last one. Under advice of counsel, I had nothing to do with them."
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Hobart has mentioned in multiple occasions that he is proud of Gilgoblins, but he cannot claim them because. Like imagine if you made a dangerous species of bees that got loose and started killing people. That wouldn’t be good for you.
It is worth nothing that Hobart has made stuff like Kajacola which can actually increase one’s intelligence in a short time. He could do the same to Gilgoblins if he finds a solution.
@Gilblin. Speaking of. I am going to dig into the quest files today for things Hobart has said.
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I did the part of the war campaign, and kept checking in on Hobart after getting back to the Banshees Wail, but he just gave me the normal quote about putting people in boxes every time. Maybe I need to move onto the next step?
Or maybe I just did it wrong ^-^;
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This is the quest line specifically.
Name of the quest is Deep Dive. You’ll notice that Hobart primarily guides you through the quest in this. Specifically when you get back, and click on him in the lower floor. Did you try this? Keep note also of his other dialog through this quest. Just in case I perhaps got the exact location wrong.
EDIT: I just updated the video with a longer one. This should show the whole thing so it will be easier to find. Check at 29:02. See where the blood elf is standing. You’ll want to go into the lower floor from there and then you should see Hobart standing by a pile of machinary looking like he is fixing something. That is where you want to click on him and check his statement.
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After returning, I immediately went to Hobart and he gave me his usual line. Then I went to Nathanos for turnin and tried again and it was the same result.
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I am going to level of one of my toons from level 110-120 and try this again myself. I could have sworn I saw him say this. This line really stuck out at me. Perhaps it happened on a different quest line and I thought it was this one. I am a bit busy than usual today so a different day I am going to comb through some of the things Hobart has said before.
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I’ll keep watch for Hobart in the rest of the war campaign
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As much as I hate to say it, I may have been wrong about that statement. Maybe I am not. Maybe it was something else, but it could have been the Mandella effect. Until I find the place that the statement is, I am not bringing that up as something that happened to anyone else. However I do know Hobart has made a number of statements. I will check through the ones in the wiki soon or later.
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