Gilded Brutosaur means that paying more gives you a better game

Translation: not looking for genuine discussion, just want the forum kids to think I’m cool for being anti-company that makes a magic elf game just like them.

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You’re not looking for a discussion at all; you’re parroting a semantic nonsensical argument that is contextually irrelevant.

Really?

Because I’m having a genuine discussion with someone else in this very thread right now.

Maybe I just don’t want to have a genuine discussion with you.

“everyone agrees with me unless they’re arguing semantics or being dishonest”

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Which you indicated by replying to me in the first place, lol.

Not remotely? There are plenty of people who disagree with me; only those who are arguing about the relevance of the term P2W rather than the context in which it is applied here are arguing semantics.

You can be fully for the monetisation model that Blizzard is going for; that’s totally your prerogative. Just don’t pretend the discussion is about something that it is not remotely about.

Blah blah words I saw used on Reddit I don’t really know how to use.

yes, that’s what i said. you’ve decided that the game is p2w and everyone agrees on that, so there can only be disagreement over whether it’s good or bad.

Sorry, who replied to who first?

I didn’t intend on having a conversation with you. I didn’t want to, because you don’t seem like the type to have an actual conversation, as indicated by the very fact that you tried to shift the definition on what P2W means by asserting that people might still “lose,” which is quite possibly the most ridiculous assertion made in this thread yet.

If you want to tell yourself that WoW isn’t a P2W game, then go right ahead. I don’t know why you seem to think I need to entertain that notion. I’m not obligated to discuss anything with you.

Yes… that is the gist of your post history in this thread. I couldn’t have summed you up more perfectly if I tried.

Your position begins with a misnomer; it doesn’t require agreement for a fact to be a fact.

Frankly, it would be better if we all just started using a completely different term entirely so that the nonsense semantic arguments about what is and is not P2W don’t completely clog the discussion of what is a terrible game design practice.

i mean, it’s a fact that you’re incorrect here. disagreeing with me is a pointless semantic argument that distracts from the truth that this isn’t a p2w game.

You think you’re making a point you aren’t making, because only one of us is working from a basis of fact.

It’s like if I said “1+1=2”
and you replied back with “you’re incorrect here, 1+1=3”.

Both form the same shape of argument, but one is nonsensical and one is axiomatically proven.

WoW is s game and a hobby. People spend money on entertainment because they enjoy it. My other hobby is distance running :man_running:. If I spend $150 on a new pair of running shoes, is that ptw? If I buy the best hydration vest, best energy snacks, is that ptw? What about when someone who enjoys bird watching buys new binoculars? Or is it just spending our entertainment budget on things that entertain us because it’s fun?

it all comes down to this.

  1. the mount is here for sale.
  2. the mount costs 90 bucks or gold can be used for tokens

no amount of whining, fit tossing and name calling is going to change #1 or #2 above.

Incredibly disingenuous comparisons are being made here.

I think they should have added an all-proffs crafting table, wings so it could fly, a portal ability to get you to the closest city hub and it would be sort of like a mobile garrison. You’d never have to leave it. :sunglasses:

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Sadly the majority of world of warcraft players got it that why blizzard does it because people buy them

At worst it’s pay for convenience, because that’s what you get. Convenience. The ability to access the AH wherever you are.

There’s no ‘winning’ involved here. You don’t ‘win’ by having access to an AH wherever you go.

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We wouldnt be able to tell. Subs have been bleeding for years.

so you say.
I dont see any verifiable sub data provided.