I paid nearly 200 bucks for two of them.
I was willing to pay 200 bucks at the time. That was my choice. I’ll live with it.
I got no problem if blizzard drops the price to 40 bucks for the last couple weeks so the rest can get it cheaper.
Im saying its in the game for good…its not going anywhere…those who bought it have it permanently.
you can either get one yourself since you claim its so helpful…or you can complain about it.
don’t think people realizes the mount has mailboxes as well as a AH vendor, something the original didn’t have, too bad it doesn’t have a guild bank chest to complete the mount
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The gear in this game doesn’t matter until you start pushing higher keys and higher raid difficulties. The gearing process up until then is mostly equipping whatever gives you a higher item level, and more often than not, that’s whatever is listed on the AH from people who crafted it.
I don’t think it’s a game-changer in that it will have a cascading effect on the rest of the game, but I do think it’s undeniable that access to the AH wherever is a bit of a P2W system, even if it’s not overt. P2W isn’t always in-your-face. Sometimes it’s more subdued.
I do think, however, that this won’t be the last time we see a mount like it. The success this mount has seen has telegraphed to Blizzard they can get away with it, so I’m betting we’ll see something similar in the future and a bit more P2W, too. What that will be, I don’t know. I’m sure Blizzard will come up with something, though.
Not really complaining more than I am making observations about the mount and how it could potentially be perceived as a P2W mechanic.
personally I think theyre enjoying whining about it lol.
Its there…they had more than 9 weeks to farm gold for it or save $$$…10bucks a week…but theyre just complaining about it instead.
i see.
I think the problem is when the whole “pay to win” thing comes up its not really gonna be taken as anything less than a complaint in this context.
I would again suggest you buy one if you really believe its going to help you advance in the game.
No reason not to if it somehow makes your game better…know what I mean?
there’s nothing pay to win about the mount other than being able to do auctions mail in the middle of a battleground defending the stables
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Probably not, but that doesn’t mean I can’t explain to people why it might be viewed in that way.
There are several reasons not to buy the mount, not least of which because I don’t want to spend money on something that’s nearly double the price of an expansion, and because I am perfectly content flying back to the capital when I need to.
But most of all, I’m not going to be the one to enable Blizzard to do this again in the future. Other people can do that all they want, but not me. I refuse because I find it gross, and because my dollar is far more valuable than a single mount.
too late already seeing this mount everywhere now
Yes, I know.
If you are not a mythic raider, 3k m+ io pushing Andy then you don’t actually need it. Pushing the top end content requires a lot of gold and if you can do that, well you can get the mount for tokens. For example, I’m on the lower level, making as much as to pay my sub with gold each month and for consumes, cosmetics, etc and don’t feel that I’m disadvantaged if I can’t access the AH from everywhere. That mount won’t get me the good RNG when the game decides to drop me only shoulders for weeks.
In my mind in this context opinions arent really relevant beyond those that help you decide to either buy…or not buy.
Arguing that its ‘pay to win’ is going to do what…exactly? Cause you to buy it? Not buy it?
I just dont see the point on this particular detail, personally.
If Im spending time reasoning about it, its gonna be the pros and cons that directly affect my game…and it being ‘pay to win’ isnt one of them.
But that might be just me.
And i think that is a logical, rational choice.
Either you can look at it and see that it has advantage…or not…for your personal game.
I am curious, however…that you laid out what might be a compelling argument for it being ‘pay to win’…ie giving advantage…but then decided rationally that you didnt want to have that advantage so you wont be buying it.
eh…with all the $$$ I spent on my collecting hobbies this year, 90 bucks isnt gonna make or break my budget for a month, lol
lol…dude…are you fighting or auctioning ? 
why not both lol
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I disagree. I think having a discourse on this sort of thing is healthy, because it at the very least gives people insight as to why someone may feel so strongly about the subject material, and because elaborating on those insights might help people understand the broader context of P2W.
I personally feel that people aren’t able to identify what P2W is when they see it, such as in the case of the mount. People have a very narrow idea of what that is, likely because what we all have come to associate P2W with was previously very obvious.
But companies have gotten better about masking it, so it’s not always apparent.
Well, as I said, I think it’s gross. I don’t like what the mount stands for, especially at that price, and so I refuse to play a part in enabling Blizzard to do it again. If I did, I’d likely regret it and feel stupid for buying it.
But moreover, I have always viewed P2W as a spectrum. You have extreme examples like Diablo Immortal, and then you have other games like Path of Exile, which is P2W with the stash tabs, but not so egregious that it has a considerable impact on the player themselves. It’s a broad concept, and the mount is, admittedly, one of the more inoffensive constructs of P2W mechanics. Because of that, I don’t feel compelled to buy it.
My concern with the mount is not so much its existence more than it is its pricing and what it means for the future of WoW. Blizzard has gotten worse about how they monetize their game ever since they introduced the WoW shop and the boost years ago, and so I fear this is only setting a new precedent for them to get even worse.
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I can respect the decision.
I was just wondering because its made to seem like its some great advantage.
If I were trying to ‘win’ this game for some reason, and 90 bucks would help insure that win, I think Id personally be willing to buy it even if it felt dirty, lol.
I guess having deal with ESOs money grubbing that is far worse, this just isnt a big deal to me at all.
But then, my chosen career path was making people want to buy crap they didnt need, so Im probably somewhat biased…or dead inside to it, lol
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Because you have an AH? 
You were so intent on making of Pay to win argument you didn’t even think the argument through. Win at what convenience? Until they start selling to teir sets in the store it’s not pay to win. That’s what a pay to win game. There are games like that out there but this isn’t one of them
I’ve explained it multiple times already
This mount is little more than a gold sink for the game’s mega rich. Anyone paying $90 out of pocket for this mount is a fool.
Why? Because at no point in the game are you more than 10-30 seconds away from an auction house. You can literally call a mailbox instantly using a toy.
It’s a ridiculous mount that only capitalizes on fools who suffer from FOMO.
One thing I just noticed about the Brutosaur is that it opens up the Alliance for me more. I hate the city design but with the longboi I don’t have to care that I’m lost.
The answer in most games that are Pay to Win is actually yes.
Try playing an MMO that is actually Pay to Win as a free player, especially any competitive modes like PvP, and get back to me how it feels to go up against wallet warriors with your free character.
Okay, and you can earn gold in multiple places, extremely easily, without having to pay real $$ to do that. You can easily fly to Dornagal or any place with an auction house to make gold using that system.
Or you can quickly use the NPCs that someone that has the brutosaur summons if they’re near you, because the NPCs aren’t exclusive to the owner of the mount.
You gain no advantage by having the bruto over any other player. No power advantage, whatsoever. You gain convenience, nothing more.
The only way the Bruto is pay to win, is if you change the definition of pay to win to make it fit, and the moment you’ve done that, you’ve already lost the argument that it’s pay to win.
you can buy it with gold, funny money and never spend a penny of real money.