People are trying to suggest that an Alliance Players perspective is somehow more canon than what the Horde is being recounted…
“The Alliance version is canon and the Horde version is not!” That is a typical refrain on these forums… So I am not surprised.
No. The Alliance Playing experience is not automatically the canon version by virtue of the Alliance experiencing it when compared to the Horde.
Blizzard made 2 versions. It has not stated one is canon over the other. That is that. When they do, then great. Until then, all your comparisons are irrelevant.
The Alliance version would only be canon video proof if Blizzard said,“Yes, everything the Horde experiences is silly and non-canon. If you want to play the canon events, the Alliance is waiting for you.”
No such comment has been made.
They are two equally valid versions of one event. You choose to believe one and dismiss the other based on your feelings. OK. But popular fan theories dont create the story, Blizzard does, and they laid out the 2 versions.
No what they are saying is that the Alliance players experience of content that the Alliance canonically did is canon and the Horde players experience of content that the Horde canonically did is canon.
Blizzard has not stated where one is canon and the other not. Period. Any suggestion other wise is just a fan theory.
You can list alot of reasons why you think Blizzard’s intention was to make the Alliance version canon. But they are just guesses with no evidence other than “the Alliance player did it, it must be canon guys!”
There are two versions. You guys find one more credible. That does not make it the canon version, especially when Blizzard clearly displays 2 versions.
I just see many folks simply repeating the same gibberish.
"The Alliance Players experience Genn being less creepy! That means it is 100% canon somehow! Even though Blizzard made a different version for the Horde… and never stated one was canon over the other … "
Nope. Canon is canon, and neither version has been stated as such, despite the popular fan theories based on Alliance perspectives.
Because it is canon? This isn’t a factional dispute, it is pure fact. One event happens in real time, the other is told second hand - by any reasonable method of deduction, the event in real time is going to be the correct one. Do remember that, canonically, the alliance experience it, kills Opulence, some major figures within the loa faith and Rhastakhan himself - the horde is told it in a few minutes by an NPC that likely didn’t even see Rhastakan die.
It’d be like saying, would you believe a war vet’s story, over the retelling of the SAME story by a child or someone else of the war vet? Grandblade is unabashedly alliance biased, but this has nothing to do with bias; you and the other dude are literally just unfairly flaming him for being sensible.
It would have been better to just have consistant dialogue between the two version instead of just either making one Horde NPC a liar/distraught troll who’s sad and angry over a lost king, or making the Alliance players have selective hearing.
Or we can just treat this like all previous raids where we’re unsure if it’s the Alliance who gets the kill credit or the Horde does.
Alright, this tells me you misunderstand the argument entirely. Genn being creepy has zero relevance to the canonicity of either one. The fact that one is an experience and one is a retelling has relevance to the canonicity. Don’t put words in people’s mouths if you’re gonna double down on being this wrong.
This is pretty much what it comes down to. Cursewords and others are holding on to this because they don’t want ANOTHER instance where the alliance is favoured over the horde. I get that. But any reasonable interpretation concludes that the lady that narrates for the horde is incredibly hostile towards the alliance, and is at best a second hand source, as everyone that was in the boss room died. This happens IRL. The losers of a war or something similar will embellish what happens, in order to make the victors seem like monsters or what have you, and also vice versa. All this is is a bit of an interesting narrative choice that, at the end of the day, has zero bearing on the story at large.
Remember, for any budding readers of history, primary sources TRUMP secondary sources, but hearing from the source ITSELF trumps both unimaginably.
Thats nice of you to consider. I have heard that many times before. I am fairly used to being of the minority opinion around here.
Being popular is not always right.
I would gladly admit the Alliance version was canon if that were stated as the case. It is not. If it is ever shown to be by Blizzard, I would not argue. Instead, it is one version of an event that has a directly corresponding Horde version.
The idea that the Alliance version is canon is a popular fan theory, at best, but no where is it stated as canon.
It is purposefully left ambiguous by Blizzard. Any who claim one side is canon and the other is not are jumping the gun.
Perhaps it makes for easier discussion for posters to jump the gun and claim things as canon when they are not stated to be? I can not say for sure why so many posters wish to jump on inconclusive bandwagons.
However, just because the Story Forum rules events as canon, does not make them so. I go by Blizzard, not popular fan theories. That is a hill I have died on many times.
Horde Warlocks know to soul stone ourselves before we enter the Forums, for the various hills we die on.
Yes, I prefer to follow Blizzard’s story, instead of the story some fans choose to consider canon.
Especially when Blizzard itself laid out different versions to consider.
And being wrong is being wrong, as you are here. Don’t get me wrong, I’d like Genn to hostile up too, but ignoring the obvious facts does not make you some underdog hero.
Unfortunately it is. The alliance version is lived out, whereas the horde version is told in a few minutes by a second hand source - that is, someone who did NOT witness any of the events, but merely heard it from someone else. The logic for such reasoning lies in the fact that the zanda lady would otherwise be dead.
No, you are just hanging on to this explanation because that means, at best, your opinion is ALMOST not wrong. The same thing happened a while back, where some lunatic was saying that Valewalker Farodin was part of the alliance, as it was unlikely he was alone for essentially all his life, which was what the quest text stated.
We aren’t discussing something incredibly important. We are discussing a throw away narrative technique that does not impact on the story at all. For literal who cares situations like this, it is logical to adhere to occam’s razor, whereby we go with the train of thought that witnessing the event yourself is far more reliable than that of a second hand source.
This is arguing for the sake of arguing, because you want the alliance to be seen in a bad light. I get you, please understand, but this isn’t a viable fight to make, as there is no fight.
I dont pretend that I am well known or even liked in these parts - but the few who read my posts and recall my name would not accuse me of being a paragon of heroism.
I don’t try to come off as one. But that is a bit off topic and into the personal.
However, I do hold canon as canon, and fan theories as fan theories. Blizzard makes the call, and they have not made one yet in this instance.
An instance where they intentionally made two versions.
I think I made my point, though. Short of a statement from Blizzard, all I have heard to suggest the Alliance version may be canon is theories and guesses. So I will leave it at that.
Bro, it doesn’t matter if you’re liked or not. Literally who cares. Grandblade attempts to be impartial, but alliance bias seeps out. Same with me but with horde bias. This is one of the cases where there’s something in front of you and you’re just ignoring it.
You’ve not addressed any points of mine, either. The alliance see it first hand, the horde sees it essentially third hand. Are you saying that both have the same likelihood of being correct?
The differentiation between living something and hearing about something is not a fan theory. The only way this would be an actual debate, and not an argument for the sake of argument, is if both Alliance and Horde were physically present to fight Rastakhan. The Horde is not, and Blizzard makes a point to highlight that this is not you the Horde experiencing this.
If Genn had spouted “GIB DAUGHTER” in the Alliance version, but went “gee willikers, Mr. Rastakhan, it would be nice if you surrendered” in the Horde version, I’d still say the Alliance version was canonical. Because the Alliance were the ones actually there.