Gearing is terrible and unrewarding because of casuals

[Grumbles-hellscream (Grumbles)]

I hate this socialism we have gotten this expansion.

Whatever are you talking about? That has nothing to do with what I quoted.

O.o

[Osmeric-azjolnerub (Osmeric)]

I would say in order to feel successful, there must be failure. Not necessarily at the cost of others, but people need to lose. It builds character. It separates the hackers from the slackers. It gives meaning to the effort. Without loss there is no win.

So, what you are saying is the game must be a Ponzi scheme of the ego. A certain fraction of the players must lose.

What happens in that situation is the game will bleed out the losers. The remaining players, by your logic, will not have any losers around. So the game must be made harder until enough of them are losers. And then they must leave.

The inevitable result of your logic is a game that spirals down to a tiny hardest core, and then dies because they can’t provide enough revenue to keep the lights on.

Alternately, the game could be designed around something other than synthetic feelings of success.

[Renataki-area-52]

This is loser talk. This isn’t what I’m saying at all.

What I’m saying is that everyone needs to fail at some point. If everyone wins, then no one truly feels accomplishment.

[Murgatroyd-lightbringer (Murgatroyd)]

OP is offended that filthy casuals like me have better than green gear.

[Duraz-cenarion-circle]

no, it is because of mob scaling and classes that scale poorly

[Osmeric-azjolnerub (Osmeric)]

This is loser talk. This isn’t what I’m saying at all.

What I’m saying is that everyone needs to fail at some point. If everyone wins, then no one truly feels accomplishment.

Ah, so you’re saying that the game needs to have one Really Hard boss that absolutely no one can do, but everything else can be easy?

[Renataki-area-52]

I don’t understand where you get the idea that it’s all or nothing?

One of the best things about team games/sports is in learning how to lose. It teaches people how to deal with failure and those that wallow in self pity quit. Those that overcome it, win. The winners get the satisfaction.

You’re not a loser because you lost. You’re a loser because you quit.

[Osmeric-azjolnerub (Osmeric)]

I don’t understand where you get the idea that it’s all or nothing?

I’m just reading the words you wrote. If you meant something else, maybe you should have written it?

[Kesnal-moon-guard]

OP is offended that filthy casuals like me have better than green gear.

No, it boils down to heroic dungeon players being heroic raid geared for shooting crabs.

[Kesnal-moon-guard]

I’m sorry if you’re offended by an LFR Hero, aka Filthy Casual™, like me being within 40 iLvls or so of your almightyness.

Extreme casuals are sitting around 400 now, you must log in once a month to be 375.

[Renataki-area-52]

I’m just reading the words you wrote. If you meant something else, maybe you should have written it?

You’re interpreting what you want to believe I wrote.

Winning doesn’t come at the expense of others. Beating another team or standing at the pinnacle isn’t about lording success over another. (That’s considered being a bad winner.) It’s about pushing yourself to play at a high level and not accepting mediocrity.

Losing is just as important as winning, because it gives a sense of perspective. If everything in the game is designed to fill players with a sense of victory, then frankly it’s a badly designed game.

[Meritha-thrall (Meritha)]

If everything in the game is designed to fill players with a sense of victory, then frankly it’s a badly designed game.

^

And completely non-sustainable in the long run.

[Osmeric-azjolnerub (Osmeric)]

You’re interpreting what you want to believe I wrote.

I’m subjecting your muddle-headed musing to critical scrutiny. What I wrote there was a valid interpretation of what you wrote. If it is not what you meant, you were being unclear. Be more precise and don’t blame me for your flawed exposition.

[Renataki-area-52]

I’m subjecting your muddle-headed musing to critical scrutiny. What I wrote there was a valid interpretation of what you wrote. If it is not what you meant, you were being unclear. Be more precise and don’t blame me for your flawed exposition.

So what you’re saying is you agree with me. Okay.

I don’t understand why people feel so hurt by the idea that losing happens. Look, the slowest guy in the 400 m dash in the olympics is still much faster than the vast majority of the world. He had to win a lot to get there, but yes, he lost. That’s okay. It’s okay to lose. Stop with this silly notion that losing is some kind of bad word. It’s not a bad thing. It’s a very good thing. It gives value to the effort. If you don’t understand that, then I don’t what else to say.

[Tyrnaeus-lightbringer]

Blizzard/Activision caters to where they think the money is, but I think class sets should be brought back for heroic/mythic raiding and be introduced for high arena rankings.

[Biih-dawnbringer]

You realize that WoW’s success is built upon catering to casuals right?

…if you want ‘hardcore’ I hear EQ is still a thing.

[Jalen-emerald-dream (Jalën)]

Preach. This is the Dark Souls/Bloodborne mentality that needs to come back.

[Kesnal-moon-guard]

One side wants people to work and earn what they have while the other wants to have equal things that the other side while they are doing nothing but sitting around shooting crabs.

This sounds awfully familiar in everyday life.

[Meritha-thrall (Meritha)]

It actually doesn’t have much, if anything, to do with casual vs hardcore. I am exceptionally casual, however, that does not in any way mean I don’t wish rewards were still commensurate with effort/diligence.

[Xalea-wyrmrest-accord (Xalea)]

If they implemented the OP’s design then so many players would quit the game would shut down. It’s just a simple fact.

Classic is for those of us interested in more serious gameplay.