Lol pve raiders will get powerful gear bettern than pvp? Yes.
Actual skill to get especially from 2100 to 2400+? I highly doubt so, we all know in the same fashion pvprs hate pve so pvers dont really do much pvp.
Again, all Blizzard is trying to do is bring back the old Vanilla system which started with getting rid of edited* Flyingg and pvp vendors, marks etc.
Or they just unsub because the system is garbage. Which is part of the reason why the PvP ladder is in shambles right now.
You want to pay attention to the top end Blizzcon champion players then cool. They’ve expressed wanting PvP vendors back too. Wanna know why they haven’t left? Because it’s their job to play WoW and provide content for the players. I even distinctly remember Cdew (Blizzcon 2018 Champion) made a big feedback video and stated the following.
“Number one. A PvP vendor should exist. The fact that a PvP vendor doesn’t exist is just…stupid”
Sorry dude. The current system blows. There was nothing inherently wrong with how PvP gear progression worked in the past.
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They are trying to bring back the old Vanilla system, which involved raiders in super gear steamrolling actual pvpers to get free loot and titles. Just like now. I guess that worked.
I understand it’s very common now for 120 raiders to form premades to steamroll in bgs. They can’t lose. It’s the gear that carries them.
What goes around, comes around.
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More like honor at 400 and scales to 415 in pvp combat.
And conquest gear just be flat 430 or 415 that scales to 430. Let 2.1 and higher have the reward of 440-45 to make it an incetive and reward those who put in the effort.
Bad idea. Higher rated players would already have a skill advantage over low rated players.
There is no need for them to have a gear advantage on top of it.
I would reward higher rated players by giving them the ability to upgrade the PvE item level of their gear, not the PvP one.
And putting the conquest gear at 430 would make PvE’ers feel the need to PvP for raid gear.
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No my friend, you can’t just automatically put every reward on the same level, it’s just not coherent. At least not to the highest level it can get.
Back in Wrath wanting that T2 wep is what got me into pvp, 10ilvl difference on a couple pieces wouldn’t make a massive difference and there needs to be some kind of meaningful reward sytem.
Also, letting higher rated players improve pve gear from pvp rating just sounds bizarre and could cause an explotion of mythic raiders just buying carries.
Yep, that’s kinda why I said conquest being 415 and scaling to 430 in pvp.
It’s how PvP gear worked from s13-WoD s3. And during cata/s12 the only difference was T2 weapons. Even playing fields is how the game should be.
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This ^^
Making conquest gear have a base PvE item level of 430 would do that too.
Spot on
It’s faster to raid or do M+ and get gear rather than PvP
We need PvP vendors back and solo queue
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Why not? The reward for being a higher rated player was exclusives that disappears after the season is over.
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The dev team has changed so much I don’t expect them to restore this. I’d be more than happy with all conquest gear being of the same ilvl and having the T2 weapons back.
Conquest gear has always been of the same level of normal (now heroic raid).
No, you just edited that in. In the first iteration of your post you said that 430 should be the flat item level on conquest gear.
Currently it is. But you’d be hard pressed to find a raider who wants to fill their conquest bar 10 or so times in order to be able to get 430 gear.
Making the conquest gear 415 in PvE would make it so that raiders wouldn’t feel as though they need to do PvP for gear.
You’ve gotta be the first person I’ve ever seen not say “yeah for the love of god gives us vendors back” and you’re in damn green text
Come on bro show support for the damn pvp players and get behind these vendors with us
Everyone knows that system was far better
EVERYONE
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Yup, a great example is Disc priest in PvP. Reducing its damage reduction and later reducing its healing output by reducing damage done.
Little to no mobility and squishy
I agree. I miss pvp gear vendor out was the worst thing blizz could have done.
I wish that was true, then they wouldn’t release unique armour and special mounts for elite pvp and we would get them instead.
PvE gets screwed too by having JP/VP vendors replaced with a slot machine. Stop bickering with potential allies.
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PvP gear? but if since it’s not longer more resilience or PvP Stats you can hardly see that it was a pvp gear or gladiator gear, before you had to equip yourself with pvp gear and put yourself in the BG’s and arenas encounters, that is good times.
Now I think that it’s different more in the use of versatility although it is not very necessary depending on whether you go to haste, Mastery or the critic stats depending on how it serves your Class.
See this sword on my profile? That’s what I got for capping my conquest bar. Please guide me to the person that gives 430 pieces over 410 pieces. 
edit: ah it’s actually a mace 
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Elite PvP gear is just recolors of PvE stuff. This expansions first two seasons weren’t even recolors of raid gear, but just warfront gear. Even back when elite sets weren’t recolors of PvE gear (s9-s15) they were still just recolors of the basic gear anyone could get. Only WoD s1 gear was actually unique to any other gear in the game.
Also, you wouldn’t get those mounts. They just wouldn’t be made instead.
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