The cool thing about PVP vendors is that it allows underpowered specs to gear for their best stats (eg Sub Rogue mastery) and become at least average or above average specs in PVP. Current system hurts underpowered specs in PVP if you don’t have the right gear set up and can’t stack certain secondaries.
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Your definition of right is opinionated. There isn’t a “Right” way to play. There was always a way in the past for people to enjoy this game with one particular side being catered to.
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The rewards in pvp right now are going to mythic raiders and keyspammers. This reflects the designers’ intent, not anything I think is or ought to be ideal.
Talk of pvp vendors is pure fantasy. We won’t be getting them back. They give people who do pvp too much agency. Choice is bad.
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PvP has and always will be a second thought in this game. You’d think after 15 years they could come up with something better than 3v3 arenas being the pinnacle of WoW PvP or figure out how to actually balance PvE specs and items for PvP but the truth is no one cares. Casual BG’s are what the majority plays, arenas are the minority even when it comes to those of us that do engage in PvP.
Glad you agree.
I actually suggested this in the Arena forums months ago. I hope Blizzard one days sees it.
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its mostly a death grip thing i would think
I hope they see it too. FFS anything is better than what we have now
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I would think that people who can get an international company to cater to them would have to be higher IQ than those who do not accomplish that.
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Yep, they want pvprs get the gear through pve which is the vanilla system of gearing for pvp and i love it.
I am a Classic pvp player who also loves the old 40player raids, i get my gear through enjoying those raids like many pvprs in Classic.
And i hope it stays like this if possible. WoW should have never changed its pvp systems from Vanilla till this day otherwise we wouldnt have these issues now. But whatever change comes nothings gonna change the fact that rated pvp is more your own skill and if you are really good you will be up there even if it means fighting in a ladder where there is no gear involved or naked, but nope pvprs these days just like to bring excuse after excuse.
Classic actually had a PvP vendor system fyi.
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I mean there’s only a struggle in the lower brackets as people are getting gear. The likelyhood of players who are severely undergeared in the 2400 brackets is slim to none. And hats off to those players if they made it that far because of their skill and not using gear as an excuse as to why they lost.
The cool part about having a way to gear outside of raids, Is people who enjoy it such as yourself can still do it that way and others have options, They also have WoW classic now.
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Death Grip is nice, but won’t help when someone that has high mobility moves away kiting.
It was limited! Thats why i said mostly pve because there was not much of a difference between some pvp gear through those vendors. People prefered in many cases the tier sets bonuses in most cases those were more powerful than pvp sets. There were no pvp legendary weapons. There were no pvp stats such as resilience, or versatility to even consider serious pvp. The advantages were still in the pve side and people had no problems farming them whatsoever in fact it was fun to see your character grow with gear from powerful bosses as opposed to today: capping conquest points through afk wfs or like in previous xpacs just weekly guaranteed honor points just for participating… yea thats skill right…
If you got Gladiator gear because you were actually really good then great you deserve it but im sure many people complaining here about not being able to climb ladder because they cant get the gear FIRST are just making excuses and they do not deserve it even if they brought vendors back, they will always find new excuses like my class is the worst for this season, or the requirements are too high.
If not then why are there people with 2500s rating up there? Are they complaining? No they are not complaining, they are simply too good and period.
There’s a difference between when PvE gear gives you a small boost in performance for 1 season vs when it is absolutely mandatory for everything. Noone is saying we should be able to buy mythic item level gear from a vendor. Plenty of us have lobbied for the return of the WoD scaling system for PvP gear.
And also there are plenty of high rated players that have complained about the current gearing system. Here is one of them:
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Which was fixed in WoD because they took away the weekly cap and instead added on to it for each week that you missed or the amount of Conquest you missed out on that week.
So you actually think that top end players are okay with this? If yes then you haven’t been paying attention during Legion when all of this went down.
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Ok… 1 or 2 players perhaps ( which might have been carried anyways) but i dont think a great majority complained… when you get up there, you are already there, 1 way or another you made it.
From there i find almost no reason to complain unless you utterly hate the system but tbh nothing is fixed, by now everyone should be used to the changes they make in every patch every xpac.
If you cannot adapt then thats your own problem. If you really want to climb ladder you will do just about everything it takes like adapt, training and get better. Else no one would be able to climb season after season.
They could introduce a worse way to gear for pvp tomorrow but people will still climb in ratings. It is what it is.
Why do you think threads like this exist?
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What you are saying is that free easy pvp wins should be a reward to raiders, who shouldn’t have to worry about challenges from actual pvpers.
Making easy pvp wins a perk for raiders, doesn’t that make pvp something less than a minigame, more like a free loot dispenser for you?
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isnt the gear you get 415 for arena weekly if you are below 1600 rated, which is where the average player is?
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