I would just like to say thank you to everyone participating in this conversation
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This is the hottest topic on the forums bois!
Whether you agree or disagree with me, I do appreciate your opinions and input nonetheless
I understand youre trying to not get people to look too deep into your system cause then youd have to answer all the holes that come with it, but stupid ideas get stupid questions.
Youâre both right and wrong. The reason I offer the official DKP argument is because I know RMTers will reject it. They all find ways that official DKP is somehow not as good as GDKP, and their very arguing is the evidence of their cheating. This is because their argument is GDKP is simply the best loot system, not that RMT will always exist. I offer them an official loot system that is exactly like GDKP without the ability to RMT and they reject it. Itâs simple.
Of course, GDKP is just the retail âcarryâ system in disguise, and if GDKP was banned they would just go back to RMTing some other way. So youâre correct that RMTers will continue to RMT.
However, youâre wrong in that - if people actually want a PUG-able DKP system itâs very much a real solution and alternative to GDKP - in which players cannot swipe VISA for gear.
I dont think official GDKP would solve the RMTDKP problem
I think banning the PayPal looting system would solve the problem
It wouldnt, considering RMT was going back all the way to 2004, about 8-10 years before WoW players were beginning to see GDKP even being ran.
Infact its pretty obvious that people were RMTing more back when there was 12 million players than they are now when there is only 300,000-500,000.
The fact that your half baked idea has tons of obvious flaws that people can instantly point out is evidence of nothing more than the fact your idea is crap
Oh but dont think too much into it, let me sell it to you on face value 
At the end of the day it doesnât matter what your opinions are on GDKP vs 2SR / MS>OS, banning a way of playing the game just so you can feel better is ridiculous. My pet theory is that itâs now a lot harder for trash players to get free carries in raids, so they want to prevent the good players from running their own exclusive groups.
Carrying is fine once in a while, but era has been running for a long time now. It gets old, especially if the players being carried are greedy or ungrateful. I know bad players will insist they are contributing, but no, they are being carried in any raid they are a part of.
GDKP offers something for everyone who shows up. I donât have the time or patience anymore to deal with corrupt loot council guilds, noobs in greens lucky rolling the only BiS item the carrying players need, or losing every single roll and getting absolutely nothing in the end.
âI donât want to play with people like you anyways!â Likewise. Enjoy your 3 hour MC, Iâll go do MC and BWL together in 2 hours and get something for my time.
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Oh, youâre back for more? Please point out a single âflawâ that is as much of an issue as âI just swiped $500 dollars for as much gold as running months of GDKPsâ
Again, thereâs only one reason you prefer GDKP to official DKP.
YOU. BUY. GOLD.
Alternatively:
YOU. SELL. GOLD.
You can think what you want, ive never bought or sold gold and I prefer the system over yours.
Right. You prefer the exact same system where you can buy gold over the one where you canât. KEK.
RMT greed-brain has completely eaten your mind.
No, I prefer the system that enables me to receive a currency that can be used across the entire game, not just in a raid. Your idea is stupid. The funny thing is that after your system got introduced into the game youd end up whining for them to get rid of it because people would still not carry you in their raids.
694 replies bois!!
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Because even Whitemane (the most popular server in era) does not have mega guilds, everyone does different runs with different guilds depending on timing. GDKP allows âDKPâ to transfer between guilds. You can even bring an alt and still keep it.
Also, if people want to just go farm and play the game they can still build âDKPâ doing it. Of course people are going to buy gold, but most guilds with in-house GDKP frown upon that and will bench people who do.
I literally already explained you that you could convert the DKP into gold, you just couldnât understand it with the shambles of your brain that are left after months of RMT swiping like some gacha waifu mobile game. My guess is youâre into those also.
We already went over it
But if the official dkp system you propose is restrictive enough to make RMT pointless while utilizing said system then the people that RMT will just simply not use that official DKP sysyem and will do master loot with RMT exchanges on 3rd party platforms just as they have been since 2004.
And if your official DKP system is as flexible and versatile as gdkp is with the ability to exchange it for gold and other things then it will be just as prone to the same corruption and RMT, but just requiring extra steps to exchange things
You obviously didnât think very hard about it
No its not that I couldnt understand it, its that you had to come up with a new system off the top of your head in the moment because youâre working with a flawed idea as you go. Its pretty simple to see. This is why stupid ideas have to get fleshed out to the point that person who came up with the idea then realizes how stupid it actually is. Im a patient guy, weâll get you through this.
Right, but you still prefer to play with the GDKP system where you CAN RMT, rather than in the official DKP system where you canât. Youâve argued many times that you like the features of a DKP system, I offered you a DKP system where you canât RMT, and you rejected it.
Official DKP wonât stop RMTing, but it will stop you from RMTing in a GDKP while saying that youâre not.
We dont need a system to prevent us from doing something weâre already not doing.