The argument, as far as I’m aware, is that the symbiotic relationship between gold buying and whales causing massive inflation via throwing thousands of gold at items in GDKP runs are ruining economies at an exponential rate. I don’t think I need to break it down for you, you seem intelligent enough.
You are trying to separate the two, ignoring the problem, and focusing on GDKP not being against the rules.
That is a strawman.
I don’t disagree that gold buying inflates the economy. I’m pointing out that GDKP’s are hardly the only way that happens. And trying to villify GDKP’s because you saw a video or two with bids is hardly a valid solution to the actual problem.
You need better judgment and he just keeps repeating obvious stuff.
I’ll willing to bet you also don’t understand that since there are very few gold sinks in WoW inflation is inevitable anyways.
We’re in the Classic discussion forum. Raid gear is the penultimate end goal. There’s nothing outside of consumables to obtain said gear, and the gear itself, to spend gold on outside of an epic mount.
GDKP runs, in a vacuum, are fine. In a perfect world, gold is a regulated resource generated by the vast majority of players with average playtimes.
Take a rampant botting problem that adds in absurd amounts of raw gold to the economy, add in whales, and it removes GDKP runs from aforementioned vacuum.
You are straw manning the argument by pretending these concepts exist in a vacuum.
I’m well aware of his long history of being a contrarian on the Classic forums.
You’re vastly over stating the impact of GDKP as the sole reason for inflation from bots. And ignoring that in and of themselves GDKP runs are a perfectly legitimate way to run a raid. And you are ignoring that without any significant gold sinks inflation is inevitable anyways, sorry but WoW is not a zero sum gold system.
The straw man is that because you saw a few videos with massive buyouts that every single GDKP is evil and funded by gold buying.
I disagree. Why would people buy gold, outside of epic mount (1k gold at the most), raid consumables, or raid gear? Do you think that enough people buy gold and just hoard it to be the majority of buyers for bots?
I literally said in my post that they are, in a vacuum. Again, straw man.
How much inflation over how long of a time? You can’t just say “inflation is inevitable” without providing some kind of timeline. On an archived server that is permanently on Naxx? Sure, yes. Seeing retail-levels of gold inflation when Phase 6 just came out? Nah man.
I haven’t said anywhere that GDKP is evil. I have stated (and restated) that already. You are straw manning, and I feel like it’s because this is a personal topic for you. You are feeling personally attacked over a form of gameplay you partake in.
See? This is what it looks like when I am actually using a straw man fallacy.
Okay so what are you actually proposing be done?
I’ve said multiple times that gold buying should be addressed at the actual supply and buyer side.
That’s not true at all.
23 items plus Nef’s Head drop every week, not counting any trash mob epics. To just get a 1k pot at the end, straight split, no taxes or bonuses, that’s just shy of 1,700g per item average. Dropping 2-3k on an item is easy for even casual play if you ever touch the AH or spend time farming in any capacity. I could easily drop 6k+ without blinking on a really amazing item, but I don’t really feel the need to do so for most gear, and I’ve only ever acquired my gold through past GDKP carries and frequent AH sales of Solid Stone, Dense Stone, Mithril Bars, Thorium Bars, Blindweed, and Ghost Mushroom thanks to a Mage that is both Mining and Herbalism.
I’ve seen guildies blow 7-8k gold on an item and then be basically barely able to cover consumables for the next week and watch them relentlessly farm up. I also know plenty of guildies that have 4-5 lvl60s they send out to regular BWL/AQ40/Naxx GDKPs that allow them to just drop boatloads in other runs for their main character. The money piles up super fast if you end up carrying 3-4 runs a week, even with really crappy no weapon, no trinket clears.
Where do you think a large portion of that gold that gets circulated in GDKP runs is generated originally? Bots. The bots generate the gold for the gold sellers, which is bought by gold buyers with a credit card, which is then distributed to the real raiders who are providing the GDKP carries. The players who don’t buy gold are getting it from those who do, and providing those gold buyers with their #1 incentive to buy the gold.
You’re like the lawyer who works for the drug cartel, and takes their drug money and has gotten rich off of it, but swears he’s not part of the game.
It’s not fine, it’s become intrinsically linked with RMT gold purchases. The CONCEPT of GDKP is fine. The practice of GDKP specifically in Classic WoW has become cancerous for the servers where the runs are common.
I play on Kirtonos, it’s no big secret among the server that it’s filled with dad players who buy heaps of gold. The constant GDKP runs are routinely laundering RMT gold into the hands of legit players. The end result is a steady inflation on prices for the whole server.
A stack of copper ore will legitimately sell for 5g. Really think about that. Anyone can mine 10 copper ore in no time flat and with close to zero effort, yet a stack of copper ore will sell for 5g because gold has lost all meaning on this server. It’s the equivalent of paying $50 for a head of lettuce. For players who have been here the whole time and stayed ahead of the inflation, yes, this is playable. Anyone who finds themselves even slightly behind this inflation will experience nothing but misery while bots farm all the mats which are then purchased with RMT gold; RMT gold that has spread throughout the entire server because of daily GDKP runs laundering thousands of gold each week.
It’s a problem.
Same place I got it from: doing circles in the ZF graveyard or similar.
Every time you try to drag legal analogies into this you just make yourself look like a fool, just stop. Bad people have lawyers for the exact same reason good people do: there are valid legal disputes and the US judicial system requires adversarial representation.
yikes
Its like anything else - its how the tool is being used. GDKP by itself is not a problem.
Yeah I’m making 1-2k a week just selling herbs. These guys are the same ones who will say there’s nothing to do. Classic has been out for over a year. I could easily be at gold cap if I wanted to be just from playing the game. They just can’t see that though.
There was GDKP in Vanilla it just wasn’t called that.
Stop banning systems and start banning the disease.
This is only possible to be fixed at the root level.
Until blizzard takes a harder stance removing the bots no band aid will fix anything.
All the people that think banning GDKPs will solve anything are clueless idiots, ban the bots and we can have legitimate GDKPs with legitimate gold.
Again, there is nothing wrong with GDKPs, I think the people that throw a big stink over GDKPs but say nothing of bots are just jealous idiots.
They’re the kind of people that get angry and irritated when they see someone buy a new house or a new car, it’s not the “illicit gold” that annoys these people, it’s seeing other people happy and getting something that they aren’t that triggers them.
Coppers 5g a piece?!
Well why didn’t you say so?
Time to start farming that overpriced copper!
Oh wait, you don’t actually want to farm or make gold, you want to whine and carry on and blame anyone that did bother farming gold.
The most annoying thing to come from this GDKP business is now every loser that has no gold thinks anyone that has gold must have been a cheater.
I know mages and AH flippers that make 10-20k gold a week, the games been out for over a year, people have gold, not all of it is illegitimate, deal with it.
Alright sir, we’re going to need to see some proof that you have indeed never bought gold. Such a bold statement needs evidence.
I’ve never bought gold. I didn’t even have an epic mount until BWL when a friend of mine was so disgusted by my poverty pony that he just gave me the money to get an epic mount.
Banning GDKP’s will not stop gold buyers. The gold buyers I’ve known were addicted to it. If they didn’t spend it on boosting, or buying edgemasters for their warrior alt, etc they’d simply sit on the gold.
The only thing that GDKP does is spread that gold around, whether it’s ill gotten or hand farmed artisanal gold picked in the fields of Mulgore. It’s one of the few ways that an honest player can remain financially solvent.
GDKP is a symptom of the disease. Treating the symptom will not solve the disease. In other words, banning GDKP to solve gold buying is confusing cause and effect.