GDKP in Season of Discovery

[Bergelmir-fairbanks]

@Lorasilis-wild-growth

Listen I’m not going to respond to this word wall of nothing

You’re not even trying to have an honeat conversation.

@Lorasilis-wild-growth

That is a fair assumption as you’ve given me no evidence otherwise.

You aren’t reading or responding to the arguments I’m making, so assume away I guess

@Lorasilis-wild-growth

Let’s sum up your arguments as follows

So don’t read, but proceed to summarize? And I’m the one being disingenuous? Okay, sure, let’s go then.

@Lorasilis-wild-growth

1.) The RMT’s and bots haven’t changed since the ban of GDKP’s. Anyone playing the game can tell you that is a lie. I can tell you straight up I haven’t reported a single bot in SoD

1. If you’ve been reading the forums you’ll understand this is false. The narrative is quite clear that bots are a problem and if you want you can go into the world and see for yourself.

2. If you’ve not found a single bot to report in SoD that might be evidence that you’re not looking, and thats fine. But like, what is your argument? Are you saying bots aren’t a thing in SoD? Where do you think RMT gold is generated? It aint from GDKP

@Lorasilis-wild-growth

Well anyone with a brain can tell you less demand for RMT’s means if the supply isn’t changing or going up prices go down

This is false and the condescending language doesn’t help your aegument. Again, read my detailed post about gold prices to understand why. Not helpful to try and summarize what you haven’t read, and then to make sweeping generalizations based on you being “logical”

@Lorasilis-wild-growth

2.) You’ve stated the real problem is RMT’s and not GDKP’s.

Yes, I don’t believe anyone (including yourself) is disagreeing with this. It is supported by the language of the official policy as well.

@Lorasilis-wild-growth

you have no evidence as to why they went after GDKP’s

You are responding in the thread where they literally explained why. At this point you’re just arguing for the sake of it.

@Lorasilis-wild-growth

3.) You point out that the cons do not out weight the pros and that GDKP’s should be implemented. You have no evidence of this

You’re the one trying to make the argument that the RMT “con” is true. I’m saying it isn’t true because there is no evidence that the ban has improved things at all.

Did you know it is impossible to prove a negative? There is no proof anyone can provide to say something didn’t happen. One can only prove that something did happen. This is why conspiracy theories exist and cannot be disproven. This is also the justification for being innocent until proven guilty.

You are the one with the positive argument here and so I’m refuting the “evidence” you’ve pointed to (gold prices). Read my post about it, seriously.

@Lorasilis-wild-growth

For every person complaining about not having GDKP’s on here there are more that want them to stay banned

Made up statement that doesn’t connect to reality at all. If people didnt want GDKP then it wouldn’t dominate every version of classic wow and be so popular that the vocal minority on the forums call for it to banned.

@Lorasilis-wild-growth

4.) You’ve said the economy wouldn’t suffer because of GDKP. Anecdotal evidence from many of players says otherwise.

Again I’m saying it doesnt and the burden of proof is on you, since you are making the claim. What exactly about the economy suffers as a result of GDKP? GDKP promotes commerce while not generating any additional gold. That’s a stimulous and healthy economics, you want the money supply moving around. It also encourages folks to save gold which means disinflation for reagents and consumables.
Notice how I explained that instead of just saying it as a fact? Why dont you explain what GDKP (not bots/RMT) does to hurt the economy?

@Lorasilis-wild-growth

5.) I’m openminded to the bot claim as I don’t know what you saw

Addressed this above.

@Lorasilis-wild-growth

6.) You say that banning GDKP’s is like banning fishing because of bots. I pointed out to you that if you ban fishing no one can fish. If you ban GDKP’s people can still raid. GDKP’s are a type of raid and to make this relevant it’d be a type of fishing

Yes, it is like banning fishing. If you ban fishing you cant fish but you have other professions. If you ban GDKP you cant GDKP but you have other loot modes. I stopped disputing this because it was an argument meant to provide clarity in how flawed the GDKP argument is, but if you’re going to debate this comparison itself then obviously it didn’t clear anything up for you. Doesn’t make it wrong tho.

@Lorasilis-wild-growth

7.) You’ve argued this game belongs to the community. You a communist?

Lol what? I dont think you get it. The game itself (not the intellectual property) belongs to and is built for the players. Ever hear them talk about SoD as a love note or tribute to the players? The devs are duty bound to the players. Delivering the game the players want is literally their job.

@Lorasilis-wild-growth

8.) I did accuse you of being involved with the RMT circuits. Evidence is you don’t post on SoD, you have no evidence to the contrary.

Lmao okay. This kind of argument isn’t helping you at all. The character I prefer to represent me is a personal choice that I don’t need to explain to you. It certainly doesn’t support your accusation, I can’t believe I have to say that.

@Lorasilis-wild-growth

9.) You’ve argued population drop one for one from phase 1 to 2

Yes it started there and the trendline continues downward until today where we are down more than 90% a couple of weeks before the biggest content patch in SoD history. Your argument is that this is “fluff”?

@Lorasilis-wild-growth

10.) You argue GDKP’s are better loot systems.

Yes and this thread explains it quite extensively. This is my evidence for the pros of GDKP, which I’ve been very consistent about since January.

If you're banning GDKP, what alternative solution are you offering?

GDKP has always been an imperfect solution to a very real problem. I exclusively run GDKP for my guild as well as pugs because it is objectively the best option I have, despite the very obvious downsides. GDKP in the current form is a 5/10 loot system (at best), but it is so much better than random rolls, loot councils, or any other alternative we have available. Here’s a list of things that never happen in a GDKP, but happen all the time in other loot systems. A person winning an item that…

@Lorasilis-wild-growth

At the end of the day I’ve provided more evidence than you. You’ve provided zero and I’ve at least provided gold prices as a point. So that is still more evidence than you

If you aren’t going to read what I’m saying and respond to the arguments and justifications being made then you can’t really make this statement, can you? Go read my post about gold prices or we have truly nothing to discuss. Or, point to something other than gold prices to support your claims. And for the love of god consolidate your argument into something more concise and coherent.