I keep seeing posts complaining that GDKP’s are bad for the game and how people use it to skip content or launder gold. My experience is way different from what these folks are spinning.
I have multiple level 70’s and used to run in 6-7 GDKP raids every week to make gold so I could supply gold to my two main raid characters. Yes, I was on this game a very unhealthy amount of time and have since pulled back to two raids per week. It took a toll on my health raiding that often, but I made a boat load of gold being in these raids. So when I missed the guild raid one week and spent 30k on a very rare drop for my main, I could afford it even though it cleaned me out. Normally I would have not spent that on an item, but this one was worth it and I would happily do it again.
I don’t want to waste hours of my time in raid after raid just to never see my item drop. I ran a specific raid 37 times for a specific drop and never even saw it, but at least I was making gold when I was raiding. I got something in exchange for my time and didn’t feel like I was wasting my time, effort, or consumes. This in itself is the best part of why I love GDKP raids.
Players in GDKP raids seem to be of a much higher caliber than going to MS>OS or SR raids. No randomly disconnecting after a boss item they wanted doesn’t drop since they are still looking forward to a payout. Logs are typically looked at and verified for at least one of your toons so people can see that you at least understand the mechanics of the raid. Some GDKP’s implement fines for wiping the raid on easily avoidable mechanics. Example: I hosted Hyjal GDKP’s and had a policy where if you died to fall damage on Archimonde and it started a chain reaction of events that wiped us, you got fined 250g which was paid to the total pot. That would be 10g added to the payout for each raider to help with repairs and consumable costs. This cleaned up the Archimonde fight in my runs very quickly.
GDKP raids earn gold for honest players and are similar to DKP raids. Earn enough DKP in a guild run and you can bid your points on an item that drops. Earn enough gold on a toon that isn’t raiding with a guild and you can bid your gold on an item. Except now you are not limited to raiding with a guild at a set time. You can raid whenever your adult responsibilities leave you with adequate spare time.
There will still be someone out there who just doesn’t care about any of the above points and that’s fine. You don’t have to participate in GDKP’s and I respect that. What I need from you is for you to stop trying to control how other people play the game when you aren’t being forced to participate. Have fun and create your own raid group if you have to. I had to make my own GDKP raids and Discord server because I was having trouble finding a group for all my toons or for my availability. You can put in the work and play the game in a way that makes you happy too.
It is a fact that GDKP’s incite RMT because that’s the kind of loot system it is. The fact that gold is the deciding factor in who gets what makes it so people are who paticipate in them are more likely to purchase gold. Now that isn’t to say that everyone who does GDKP’s buy gold but I can say with 100% certainty that some do.
GDKP’s have more competent players because of the gold provided at the end, with performance affecting their cut for DPS, and with tanks getting an increased cut (at least it should be this way).
I’m of the mind that GDKP’s are actually good, that while some do buy gold it shouldn’t be a reason to ban them which I can’t really see how they can do that without taking away master loot.
What i need you to do is admit your 6-7 gdkp raids are infact used to launder dirty gold.
You may not willingly do this, but some if not most of the buyers coming to your raids bought gold so they can come to your raids.
The pots you guys are pulling are bc gold buying was rediculous in nax and it just continued into tbc.
If gold buying isnt so rampant your pots at most maybe would hit 5k.
Most dont have a problem with gdkp. The problem is bc its a very good way to farm gold people put head in sand and say “no gold buying going on overe here” all honest folk here i swear.
I wouldn’t say it goes against the spirit of gaming, they have been around since Vanilla and probably got popular around WOTLK. They are a community made system that can promote building the community as it provides a service to some and income to another. As someone in SWP gear and capable of carrying I very much like the idea of being able to go make a quick buck just like others like the idea of being able to gear up a fresh max toon.
That being said the current gaming landscape leaves a lot to be desired for how GDKP is being approached. It is certainly fueling RMT in this day and age and server communities largely aren’t what they used to be. If there’s any reason to outlawing GDKP it’s solely because it’s a vehicle being used to fuel RMT, not because it goes against the spirit of gaming; on the contrary I think it’s actually the epitome of how an MMO game is vastly different than any other multiplayer game out there.
Funny how people who RMT gold use the same reason as justification for why they do it. They don’t have the time, or they find it boring. I also remember a friend justifying the use of a popular bot program (that’s now defunct) because he didn’t want to farm honor, but wanted to enjoy high level PvP play.
The problem with GDKP is not the loot system as is. Is the source of the gold used to buy the items.
You as an organizer may take a cut and with this cut you can invest it later on on an item. You by yourself did not go any shady website to purchase ingame currency.
However… Can you say the same for every single person that has purchased an item in a GDKP raid?
It’s obvious you cannot guarantee that all the gold involved in a GDKP raid is obtained through legal sources. You can have maybe 1, 2 or 3 whales with tons of gold, but 25 or 40 players having that much gold? Hell no.
As other people pointed out, the main flaw of GDKP is that it incites people to purchase gold. Where your ingame skills/capabilities don’t reach (and I’m speaking in terms of farming gold), maybe your credit card can. And when someone buys gold and spends it in your GDKP raid, it turns out that, while you are playing with honesty, the gold you see is not “legally” obtained. It rather comes from bots, cheating or account hacking.
Gdkps are good for the game. Couldn’t imagine carrying some grey parsing gutter tier lemmings only to lose out on an item due to RNG going their way in SR or MS/OS. With gdkp you cull the trash, or they get carried and fund you.
Yeah, I don’t do GDKP’s but I like the concept of them, they’d exist with or without RMT which is something I think the people that dislike them will deny.
No you just demand time, knowledge, preformance, dedicatiom, gems, and enchants. (Last two requiring gold).
You would never stoop so low as to expect that and have people pay gold, those same people who also get a cut from the same pot and make a healthy amount of money back in most instances.
I had a friend run a BT gdkp a week ago. Mostly boring loot, spent 1100 on a chest and got a 1150 something cut. Basically made 40g and got a free chest, but healer whoever who bought nothing got 1150 for his time instead of no loot and a bill for consumables.
Not a fair system at all.
Says who. Says you? Who asked.
You say gaming is not work yet I am asked of other players to raid for them, preform for them, memorize fights, pay gold bills, maintain my enchants and consume expensive potions on cooldown for free, things that cost gold, all the while working for potentionally nothing.
But its despicable that I want something in return? Lmao youre lucky I can still hear you from atop that high horse.
Bro, we live in a world where people expect you to give them free stuff and you’re a bad person if you don’t want to. I am not going to run Kara 37 times specifically for mongoose / surefooted and fail to even see them drop, just to also spend all my gold and waste my time doing so. If I made a profit and helped someone get gear for their character by carrying them on my SWP geared toon, it was a good raid for everyone involved.
Its ironic really, because that free stuff has a cost.
Like its one thing for dedicated raiders who raid together to run a non gdkp style system. SR msos +1 is fine really and tries to spread out loot while giving players the option of selecting their big peice as their specific prio. It works well with players who work together constantly, where the loot stays within their own loot economy, and you know they will stay till the end. While getting no gold in return, what youre getting is group growth, and you know that as loot drops, eventually in theory, youll get yours. Thats the payment instead of gold.
With pugs? Different people every week with no garauntee they stay and even finish the raid? No, sr msos does not work well. It has no barrier of entry, so no garauntee theyre even good enough to stand still and spam a single button (idk how people mess it up), and no incentive to not be greedy. No incentive to stay, which only hurts the raid once they leave. Then to top it off, there is no garaunteed growth for yourself, as each week its someone new who also needs the peice you need.
Its an awful system for pugs. Gdkps fix it by dangling gold at the end of raid. You want as many bosses down for as much loot as possible, for the most items to auction, to get the biggest pot. Everyone gets something every gdkp every time. Its weird this is called the greedy system and sr msos isnt.
But players like that dwarf dont care. It goes against their set ways and idea of the game and thus they reject it blindly and condemn any who would play in a way they wouldnt.
While it is a lot, isnt impossible. Raids dont take that long, 7 days in a week, 1 gdkp a day, 2 to 3 hours for the raid, so 2 to 3 hours of wow a day.
It also incites people to farm their own gold and participate in the server economy. I’d absolutely LOVE if all the gold buyers were permanently banned instead of these weak 2 week bans, it would make the work I put into farming gold have so much more buying power.
Yes, I did not say the opposite.
However, the “option” of swiping the plastic and making a shortcut is too temptative for too many people.
And banning the people who buy gold is not the only thing that is needed to do, because gold has already been inserted into the game.
If someone bought 100k gold and spent it in a GDKP, do the players who go there and provide the “boosting” without doing anything illegal deserve a ban? No. But the gold he receives is not clean and should not be ingame. So the problem is still there.
I wish they could retroactively delete the illegitimate gold, but that’d mean that the gold buyer got them item on a now dead account and the people that were in the raid with him just take a loss for it. Although maybe that could be a good way to disincentivise people from bringing known gold buyers in the first place.
