News flash. RMT hasnt slowed down one bit and honestly it might be a bit worse because of the way people are circumventing the GDKP ban. People are just buying items from guilds for “set” prices. Another way people are doing this is “1000g” lotto to the raid if Viskag drops". Bring back GDKP already lol this experiment has failed miserably. P.S. also change the black lotus to any high level herb. k thanks
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the GDKP banners have conceded that RMT is just as bad if not worse on anniversary. now they’re saying they banned GDKP so that the game is like, “more social” or whatever, despite the fact that some of my best WoW socializing has been in GDKPs where people are happy, friendly, excited to game, etc 
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Oh look, another swiper’s alt with 5 posts making a GDKP thread.
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please present an argument that is not bashing the other person with accusations and lies
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There’s been a thousand arguments made.
And swipers whining because they can’t buy gear will never be a good one for it to return.
The ban has been fantastic and should be extended to all versions.
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Guild name couldnt be more on point, OP.
GDKPs are never coming back. I dont have to humor you by arguing with you. I dont have to convince you. I dont have to legitimize you by treating you like a rational human being. I dont even have to acknowledge you. I just did this to laugh at you.
You lost. Your tears sustain me. Even if you organize a discord to mass report me youll still never get GDKPs back.
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“swipers whining because they can’t buy gear”
You do realize that people who buy gold to get gear can still do it and it is even easier to get geared up than doing gdkp. There are many guilds that will sell any raid drop for a set amount of gold now the swiper doesn’t even have to bid against anyone to get their item.
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Completely agree. Bring back GDKP. It has had no affect on RMT/botting.
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What makes you think anti-GDKP players are against RMT?
The GDKP ban is working as intenteded:
- Bot-runners that sell gold have less competition
- Gold buyers are the big dogs
- Mediocrity is king in SR runs
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No GDKPs mean everyone is buying gold to afford consumes / items (such as lionheart or nightfall)
With GDKPs, only a handful of people “have” to buy gold, I never really even considered RMT when I could just clear old content and get paid to do so after earning all my gear from you know… being in a guild and playing the game. Its a much better alternative than just mindless farming, especially when farms continue to get nerfed or bot dominated. Imagine having a gathering prof and trying to compete with Bots.
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What am I supposed to be compelled by? The 417th alt being used to make this same ridiculous thread? They’re desperate. Yesterday a swiper used an alt pretending to be a new player. Everyone saw through it and called him out on it and he scurried off and hid in a hole. Might be this very same OP making yet another thread, trying a new tactic.
But all these posts are illogical and irrational and dishonest. The swipers obviously aren’t going to admit they want to buy gear with their illegal gold. The others can’t admit they just like getting that big gold cut, and/or they don’t care that it’s rmt gold. “But I didn’t buy it!!!” Doesn’t change the fact that it came from gold sellers. And the sheer amount of gold floating around in GDKPs is off the charts. I’ve seen the logs. We’re talking hundreds of thousands of gold in Era GDKPs. It’s insane. And then obviously the organizers who run these things are missing out on a lot of business. Not only in-game, but out of game as well. Again, I’ve seen these discords as well. They’re disgusting.
And this constant repetition of, “Banning GDKPs didn’t do anything!!!” is just nonsense. I could just as easily say it had a fantastic impact. Obviously it didn’t eliminate all rmt. The only people who ever said it would were pro-gdkp trolls. Passing a law doesn’t mean people don’t break the law. It mitigates the behavior; it doesn’t eliminate it. And it certainly doesn’t have anything to do with people breaking other laws. If players are buying gold for other reasons, that doesn’t mean the gdkp ban is bad or ineffective. It means Blizz needs to tackle those avenues as well. You want to address the real culprit behind the rise in gold buying? Megaservers. There’s your answer. They’re tailor-made for botting and gold sellers. But people don’t want to tackle that for the same reason they want gdkps: it’s the mentality of these types of players. They don’t care about the experience. They don’t care about community. They care about efficiency, taking shortcuts, not putting in the time or the effort. Swipe a card and buy your gear. Carry a swiper through your raid and get your big chunk of gold. It’s a garbage playstyle, and even Blizz acknowledged that as part of the reason it’s banned.
So I’ll continue to laugh at these swipers who continue to seethe. I’ll do it later today when this guy uses another alt to make this same thread. And tomorrow when 3 more alts are used. Meanwhile 99% of the playerbase has moved on. But that 1% continues to be a great source of amusement. And a bit of pity.
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It never ceases to amaze me how pathetic some people are. The fact that how other people play a game triggers you so much is just so telling about the kind of person you are.
you’re sad, and I pity you
So banning gdkp’s was good because a couple hundred players don’t buy as much gold as they would have before?
They still buy gold. Bots still everywhere.
I’m not even a fan of gdkp’s. But in terms of mitigating the gold buying, the ban has had no real impact.
Perma banning gold buyers and actually investing resources into better bot detection or in game GM’s would have a real impact on RMT. Those things would lose blizz money so the best we get is gdkp ban and white knights praising blizz. While anyone that raids in a parse/speed run guild still has 3/4 of their raiders openly talking about buying gold every week with no fear of consequences.
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Its almost like you didn’t read that player’s post and wanted a reason to support gdkps.
Youre saying they need to come back because banning them didn’t eliminate RMT. But by the same logic you feel they need to return. It absolutely has curbed RMT as Zaalg said, but you are trying to make the argument that it didn’t work at all because RMT still exists.
Bad trolling 0/10
The anti gdkp’ers got tired of their ms os sr pugs being full of low performers because all the good players were in gdkp’s, so they launched a campaign of trying to associate GDKP with RMT to trick people who don’t know any better into thinking that all gdkp’ers buy gold. This is why when anyone says “but rmt is just as bad without them” they get attacked as a gold buyer, gold seller, rmt’er, botter ect or saying “no one said it was going to curve RMT!!1!!1” No one has ever made any real or objective argument against them, and the arguments they were using have been disproven in SoD and Fresh.
Will gdkp’s come back? I would bet that they won’t, because blizzard isn’t the type to admit a mistake and change something like that, especially when so many people believe that this is them attempting to do something about RMT.
Lots of people say this, yet nightswiper is the most botted and rmt’d classic server to date. They also used to say that flasks were only expensive because GDKP’s caused inflation, but they can’t lie about that anymore since you can just look at the nightslayer AH to know thats false.
It didn’t work at all because RMT/botting is tremendously higher on the servers that banned gdkp than the servers that didn’t ban them. I can’t tell you the last time I saw a bot on Cata.
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“everyone who disagrees with me is an alt” is not an argument
No where in my response do I say they should come back.
He says they helped mitigate RMT.
RMT on anniversary is the worst I have ever seen in any version of classic wow, even the ones that had gdkp’s.
If gdkp’s existed still, some whales would buy more gold just to spend on them. Is that the purpose of the ban? Reduce the amount of gold bought by a few whales exclusively for gdkp’s?
Blizz said the gdkp ban wasn’t even for reducing RMT. It was for better social interactions.
I’m not making the argument that RMT still exists so the ban didn’t work. I’m arguing that at best, it slightly reduced the amount of gold bought through RMT exclusively for gdkp’s.
Is banning a loot system that was widely popular with classic wow players to reduce overall RMT by 5% good?
not going for your tinfoil hat nonsense, your trolling argument still comes from a position where you want to reinstate something because you think the impact is negligible.
Stop pretending like you care about RMT at all, reinstating GDKP would absolutely have an impact on RMT and you know this.
Again, you are coming from a place where you fundamentally want RMT in the game and are trying to backdoor another mechanism for RMT with poor logic.
Zaalg has an iq of 14 so I wouldn’t take anything he says seriously.
Gdkp ban didn’t touch RMT. I know more people buying gold now than I ever have.
As far as social structures go, I actually had a consistent gdkp with the same people each week in wotlk. People weren’t late and showed up consumed and ready to roll. Pretty good social structure if you ask me.
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So then why argue for the efficacy of stopping RMT by removing GDKP if you dont participate in them? Could it be you want RMT gold without worrying about a ban because it comes in the form of a cut?