GD Lounge # Reforged_Insanity :)

Doesn’t know what to do, :sob: Welcome Back.

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/hugs
/leaves a box of kleenex and a bottle of inferno punch with 2 glasses

/kneels over and leaves carrots for archano

/quietly tippyhooves into the kitchen

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CAT NOT FOR SALE! HAVE A GOOD DAY SIR!

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Kittyhugz :rabbit: :smiling_face_with_three_hearts: :heart: :heart: :heart:

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Could you please make me a bear sandwich? :blush:

And Gnomey hugs too!

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Happy Wednesday Folks!!

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I just got to make sure it’s bear and not tauren

They get so touchy when you cover them with mustard

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The best way to tell is to ask the bear. If the bear lies and says, “Yep, I’m a Tauren”, and maybe even changes into a “Tauren” to prove it’s not a bear then it is a bear. Because that’s exactly the kind of thing a bear would say and do to avoid getting eaten up.

If the bear just growls and snarls, then it too is a real bear and can be eaten.

Though, in my experience, a lying bear is more delicious because the lies make it more delicious!

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Do you eat Pandaren? I’m hiding my druid from you.

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naw, pandaren bring the best booze to parties :slight_smile:

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Plus Pandaren aren’t real bears. Real bears either lie and try to change into other things or just growl and snarl at you.

Pandaren like to feed you tasty snacks and drinks.

With all the discussion about the new book and whether or not it’s any good. I had an idea I posted about in GD. Since most of you (and rightfully so) are scared snotless of the current atmosphere in GD, I wanted to cross post here and see what you think:

With all the talk about whether or not the new book is good (personally, I’m exceptionally nitpicky and was turned off by an excerpt), I thought about what Blizzard could do to ensure well-crafted books that work within corporate mandates (i.e. Shaw/Flynn) and meet the expectations of the fan base both old and new.

And the solution is simple. Karazhan Press , Blizzard’s own imprint which would rely heavily upon both established Blizzard employees and players who have a deeper understanding of the lore, tone, and characters than a contractor wirh no connection to WoW or any other Blizzard IP who comes in “cold”.

Of course, I would also recommend hiring (or promoting from within) both micro and macro editors and an experienced staff of Blizzard employees who can properly evaluate sybmitted works based largely on knowledge of the universe and all it encapsulates, and not just on name alone.

This would allow Blizzard to accomplish a couple of very important things:

  1. Establish and maintain tonal and character control over the universe and established characters without a work coming across as “forced” or “tone deaf”
  2. Through an established and vetted submitting process, allow talented and unknow writers to possibly begin to build a name for themselves and even possibly make significant contributions to Blizzard IPs.

One way to do so would be publishing an annual anthology of original stories written by Blizzard Staff and players alike. Doing so would allow time for proper vetting and editing of submissions and ensure a better product.

Authors would be compensated via either a flat fee for thier stories or, possibly, a percentage based on sales though a flat fee is far more manageable and reasonable.

And if a particular author is regarded well enough, you can then offer contracts for novels and even a place on whichever writing staff may need additional writers.

But that’s just me simply because I’d love to see more creative types come from within the community rather than rely on “outsiders” who are only familiar with the genre of fantasy more than they are with the Warcraft universe itself.

Remember: Karazhan Press . You can make it happen and, in my humble opinion, should make it happen.

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This seemed to work more times than not for at least one era of star trek novels.

There were well established criteria, Roddenberry had a decent amount of control .

Yeah, there were some bombs
but there was some masterpieces like “the final reflection”, “Uhura’s Song” and “the wounded sky”

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Games Workshop’s Black Library (if you’re into Warhammer and Warhammer 40k) also comes to mind.

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Before Star Wars sold their soul to Disney, they had some rather decent backstory novels as well

Agreed. The pre-Disney novels were great. Between the Yuzhon Vong arc and Jacen Solo’s arc, that was some really excellent story telling.

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Did you read the most recent book? It wasn’t bad. Yes it read a bit like fanfiction but I like reading fanfiction. I actually knew most if not all the main characters by name. Flynn/Shaw was not forced especially if you had already seen their interaction in bfa. I have no idea what GD is complaining about with the author. I skipped those threads.

The idea of letting the fanbase the opportunity to do some writing for them sounds fun. I would probably read them.

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Unless I missed something, the only significan interaction Shaw and Flynn had in game was the Dazar’alor scenario and, imo, that didn’t really establish much beyond an “Odd Couple” vibe which you’d expect given their individual natures; Shaw being staid and stodgy while Flynn is most definitely a flamboyantly natured Errol Flynn (hence the name) stand-in.

Beyond that, there was no further interaction and what small interaction they did have did not necessarily imply “budding romance”. At least to me.

If the two had had more interaction in-game that displayed a growing partnership, then I could see it being well written. But given this was a ham-fisted corporate mandate (admitted by the author), it comes across as forced.

Or even, if there had been a trilogy of novels that built it up rather than shoehorning it all into a single novel, that would’ve been a better way to establish the two as a couple in a more natural fashion.

But then again, I’m a fan of noir and prefer the slow burn of character development over the, “hey, here’s something we can smoosh in now!” style of development.

Example:

I would’ve written the first book as a straight up small scale noir novel with Shaw enlisting the seedier Flynn to help him infiltrate the gangs and back alleys of Stormwind in pursuit of a muderer.

Because noir is, by nature, clausterphobic it encourages character relationships and development in a less “corporate” manner and in a more natural fashion.

That way, if Blizzard wanted to make the two a couple which is fine, the best way (again) in my opinion, is to go noir.

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The Jedi Academy was a lighter read but another one that I enjoyed

Both of those options would have been appreciated at least by me. Would have loved to see things build up more. Lol the issue in part may be that there are people so anti this type of relationship in game…I mean we have seen GD lately. They might skip the books but they don’t want to see anything at all in game. While things could have possibly handled better it wasn’t trash by any means imho. You can’t please all the people, all the time.

Do you have trust level 3? If not you should try to knock it out to get it. If you have tl3 you can post in the more exclusive Lounge just for tl3. It’s rumored that devs and such are more likely to swing by to read things over there than say GD. Others have posted some interesting ideas there. Anyways it was just a thought.