Just let us upgrade via valor points. Keys are awful, grinding ksm for 220 gear sounds awful. Just make us farm the valor.
Also the upgrade ilevels are what keys should be dropping in the first place…
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Now people selling keys just got a boost. They inadvertently helped those guys out 
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it’s not stupid at all. Sorry you can’t spam +2s for 220 gear. THAT Would be stupid.
PVP loot works very similarly to the valor system on the PTR. is that stupid?
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Pvp isnt keys. Gating 220 gear behind ksm is stupid, the gate to upgrading gear should just be the time spent farming the valor.
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What a scam! 
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Also pvp gear goes to 226/233 for weapon and 1800 is literally free. Ksm is a headache and people wont even take people who need 220 gear to keys lol
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Not really. Ideally, the higher the key level, the more points get awarded (and the more a piece is upgraded, the higher the cost of the next upgrade, rather than the current planned method of only tying cost to slot) meaning the people just spamming +2/3s are wasting their time if they could easily go to +10 or higher.
Other than to say “screw you casuals”, I’m not really getting why valor point upgrading should be completely locked behind keystone levels.
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I think it seems bad for where we are now. Going forward when gear is reset this will be a giant bonus and a nice system.
Giving me a currency I can’t use does nothing for me.
Some mythic+ dungeons I avoid most of the time. I’m basically going to end up getting all this valor and be unable to spend it unless I go to dungeons I don’t want to go to on a high+ key. This system does nothing for me as it is.
Personally I feel that the amount of valor you get should be commensurate with the key level you do and that’s it. Let the low key runners get their gear upgrades slowly. Let the high key runners get their gear upgrades faster.
This whole “do every mythic at this key level” qualifier BS, is just another form of manipulation to get people to do things they don’t want to do. It’s just like how crappy valor was in MoP when you couldn’t spend your valor without rep for the vendor that had the item you wanted. It was bad decision to make then and a bad decision to make now.
When people asked for Valor they mean like WOTLK. You run dungeons. You get the currency. You spend the currency at a vendor. Simple. No BS.
This new valor currency is useless to me if I have to do things I don’t want to do before I can spend it.
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If there’s 1 complain I have w/ the changes would be loot drop. It’s nice to be able to upgrade the gear and all but you need to somehow loot it 1st which is the issue we have atm.
I wish they let us buy the base item w/ valour points as well
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Ohh no, I have to get a few achievements to upgrade my Mythic+ gear, whatever shall I do…
Good grief, there’s like what, 8 Dungeons? So 24 Dungeons (+5, +10, and +15) Then you’re done, you can upgrade your gear easy. Besides, they said nothing on having to, “Time”, the Dungeons just complete them. So you can do a really crappy job, and still get the Achieve to upgrade stuff, seems fair to me.
I just hope that once you do this on one toon, that it’s a account unlock so you only need to do it once.
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the +10 and +15 achievement are timed so I will be assuming it’s the same for +5
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time spent > skill
I feel like a certain classic/vanilla system had this and everyone hated it.
Why do people hate the idea that your gear gets better as you get better at the game? KSM 220 gear is probably far more obtainable for the player base rather then 1800 (non rbg) rating.
Let players work for what they got and have a level of achievement behind their gear. Everyone having easy access to the best gear in the game makes for a boring mmo.
I have had little to no incentive to get good at m+ other than a weekly 1 for vault. Now along with pvp, I have a system to pursue and progress through and will be rewarded if I achieve it.
Good changes, I feel non mythic raiding will fall behind though.
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The pvp vendor doesn’t allow you to get 220 gear spamming 1100 cr games or battlegrounds. I think they want a level of skill to behind what gear people gave.
I’m looking forward to the challenge
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shouldd be 226 + 233 wep for KSM to mirror pvp…
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So you think you should be able to upgrade gear above what would be available for drop? If you are skill capped at a +5 why should you get 220 gear? Get better and work for it.
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If it’s so free, then just don’t do KSM? I’m not understanding your complaints.
PvP literally has iLvl ceilings just like this M+ one will.
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Actually, for a player who has no rating or gear that would cost close to 1 million gold, not exactly “free”.
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Hey snowflake, pvpers have to get rating to upgrade their gear. raiders have to form groups to get gear from raids. It is not unfair to ask m+ players to meet criteria to upgrade there gear above from just merely existing in the game!
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I mean if it worked like that sure, enjoy your equivalent to M0 gear now. You can also just buy better gear or get it from WQs. The valor system would just be a tedious version of buying crafted gear and running a few 0’s.