How about we forget about a word and think about an idea? I didn’t think up the idea, I’m talking about the same idea posted over and over on these forums. An idea that others share and are trying to point, yet when they do they run into a vocabulary issue.
That shouldn’t be an issue at all. If we work together we can understand what each other is trying to say. Obviously gatekeeping is not the right word.
There still is that thing out there though. More topics will pop up about it. Is this going to be the tactic to “defeat” these topic bosses? THAT’S THE WRONG WORD!
We have been past that point for a very long time now. So that point is noted. Besides that point, what else can they do?
Ya, what else can they do? They are not complaining about being unable to make a group. They are not complaining that guild runs want solid players. I’m pretty sure they are complaining that every Joe blow now thinks he’s a Gigachad. They want to see groups running and WoW doing well. They seem tired of 90%+ of the groups now requiring stuff only guilds and sweats use to require, in order to beat 20+ year old stuff.
You used the word, you lost a battle over your use of the word, now you want to not make this about the word you lost a battle over. Fair enough in all honesty the ideas do matter more.
I got into gnomer on my hunter without ever doing gnomer, i then parsed a 75 in bad gear and now i lead with my 75-85 parse and get fast invites, I play the second lowest dps spec in the game also.
You will have an easier time if you form your own group, the average person doesn’t want to go through that effort and it hamstrings them. Otherwise I have no idea what can be done to stoo people who use logs as a filter that isn’t just reversing the “fault” onto them.
If you are an ideas guy you understand right now people are at liberty to choose who they play with to have the best odds of success. If you take that away you shift the losses onto them and gains onto under performers who don’t deserve the gains.
I think advertising a noob/beginner friendly raid is the answer, if gatekeeping is a problem that will be a solution.
honestly if you dont make your own group or join one of the many i see not checking logs being advertised on lone wolf horde , i dont really feel like ganking the ability to parse and do logs is the solution you want.
its probably a better metric than the other “checks” they would do like gs or other stupid stuff that doesnt actually show performance.
And ended up 5/6 or worse. This is true story . I always form a pug run on every lockout for P2. Forming a group even with all of the rejects is already difficult since most of them are playing the same class which repels healers because they weren’t confident in our group ability to clear the run. Raid leading one is a nightmare, you can straight up tell if your raid consists of below average players when they have difficulty killing adds on 2nd boss or more than 3 people dying to a knockback on 3rd boss. The 4th boss is difficult as well for pug since you have to explain the strat while the boss were still patrolling. Even after everyone got ready some of them still probably die to static arc because they forgot what they need to do even when being told in voice comms to move in or just stand still or get away from the rest whatever command you need to address as the situation sees fit. 5th boss is a nightmare for healers. Thermaplug is just a long fight and some people weren’t able to kill the bombs as quickly as is needed. I gave em simple macro to target these bombs. They still unable to do it. Some of them even still back pedal and keyboard turning from time to time and I suspect they do not play with maxed out camera setting. It’s not realistic to expect pug run going smooth all the time.
But I am stupid and want to play the game by smashing my head on the keyboard! YOU PEOPLE PLAY HEALERS AND TANKS! Invite me to your group! I am entitled! Long live DEI and affirmative action! It’s YOUR job to compensate for the stupid and lazy!
Lol anytime you have many people there will be some form of gatekeeping or perceived gatekeeping. Have to wait in a huge line for McDonalds? Gatekeeping your hunger. Can’t make elite smash because you aren’t good enough? Gatekeeping. Didn’t get an achieve for that shiny new mount? Gate keeping.
There are ways around all of the gatekeeping, it’s just a matter of effort. And we all know people these days don’t like inconvenience. So, it is what it is.
I understand and agree with your point to a large extent, but then you compare the importance of raiding in a 20-year-old game to real-world issues like plumbing and law. I think there’s a lot of room to relax.
The McDonald’s example isn’t gatekeeping; it’s just high demand. McDonald’s isn’t making you wait by screening your worthiness as a customer; there’s just a line.
. I always form a pug run on every lockout for P2. Forming a group even with all of the rejects is already difficult since most of them are playing the same class which repels healers because they weren’t confident in our group ability to clear the run. Raid leading one is a nightmare, you can straight up tell if your raid consists of below average players when they have difficulty killing adds on 2nd boss or more than 3 people dying to a knockback on 3rd boss. The 4th boss is difficult as well for pug since you have to explain the strat while the boss were still patrolling. Even after everyone got ready some of them still probably die to static arc because they forgot what they need to do even when being told in voice comms to move in or just stand still or get away from the rest whatever command you need to address as the situation sees fit. 5th boss is a nightmare for healers. Thermaplug is just a long fight and some people weren’t able to kill the bombs as quickly as is needed. I gave em simple macro to target these bombs. They still unable to do it. Some of them even still back pedal and keyboard turning from time to time and I suspect they do not play with maxed out camera setting. It’s not realistic to expect pug run going smooth all the time.