Garrosh should've won, and horde should stop trying to be the 'good guy' faction, being 'bad' is fun

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I don’t get the insistence on trying sooo hard to make the Horde be the ‘good guys’ and them being this all morally righteous types. It’s boring imo much less relatable.

I don’t want to be the ‘good guy’. I want to be the bad guy, or more specifically, what the morally righteous deem as the ‘bad guy’.

Good and Evil are not constants, seeing them as black and white is a dangerous mindset to have, it’s what causes righteousness. And by extension, not good writing.

Such as the Jailer. The jailer is the comically evil type, no depth no believability he’s just evil for sake of being evil? and his ending all the sudden implying he was a good guy was just as lazy. There’s no nuance.

Here’s what i think Horde should have became:

4 Words: Unapologetic A-holes. and Being Badass

To simply put, a TRUE band of renegade and misfits, they’re not bound by any silly ideology, no racial lines no belief or religion or would care about perusing such childish and divisive concepts. It’s the complete and absolute rejection of Altruism. (Andrew Ryan from Bioshock was 100% spot on Altruism, it’s the source of all suffering)

They only care about the individual, are a band of brothers. What holds them together, is loyalty to one another and their self interest honorably. They don’t care about conflict just what benefits them and if you get in their way they’ll crush you, its nothing personal. Lawless and truly free, unchained and untamed. Simple as.

In a way, like pirates on steroids.

And i’d even go as far as to say, Horde shouldn’t be a ‘faction’ in the traditional sense but rather, a Platform. A POWERFUL platform for those who don’t fit in society and refuse to bow down, a platform for those who are just too Based. A platform that makes those who seek to control others cope and seethe and NOTHING they can do about it.

So, everyone can join, even humans.

If Garrosh won, he would have turned the Horde into something mostly akin to that.

He did nothing wrong, he was unjustly treated by morally righteous blind traitors who couldn’t understand him or the position he was in, in doing so radicalized him more than he was. Everything he did had a reason not born of evil just necessary evil, he actually CARED about the Horde and its people and had a heart of gold.

Garrosh is a true Hellscream, and in Hellscream fashion like the absolute chads they are, WILL NOT bow down to any pesky rules that hold them back. And for that, Garrosh was punished and villainized.

Or at the very least, introduce true RPG player agency in how he interacts with the world reflecting how NPC’s see the player. I want to be a Renegade Shepard type guy.

Conclusion: This hypothetical Horde would please everyone who wants to be the ‘bad guys’ and badass on top of making them believable and not low quality cartoon villains.

I love nothing more than those who are unapologetically themselves irl or fiction. It just makes for interesting writing and be relatable. This is what makes every memorable villain, be memorable, gives them depth.

It’s why Arthas so universally loved. He was written like an actual person and how said person with said behavior would react in said situation. It’s believable. Garrosh too.

Bonus: The Banished from Halo. I love them so much

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I only read your title but i support this. Garrosh was dope.

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Find a different game. Horde haven’t been “bad guys” since Warcraft II when they were high on demon blood.

Both of these sentences contain direct contradictions within themselves and that’s kinda impressive.

If you like playing orcs, I guess. Garrosh wanted everyone else dead.

Of course the society you’re describing would have canabilized itself and collapsed within a couple years.

In summary: the Horde is not your edgelord power fantasy.

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Nah. I’d rather not have the Horde be how you want. And Garrosh needed to go since he hated most of the Horde members.

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I miss when the Horde wasn’t the Alliance but with red paint. I miss having dubious morals, quests which blurred the lines between good and evil, faction leaders who weren’t bending over backwards for the Alliance.

I miss the old Horde, not this Alliance but with red paint.

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i think you should want yourself and your guild to be big and powerful instead of trying to live off your faction to make yourself feel big and powerful

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I was never a fan of Garrosh until his badass SL cinematic so yeah I can get behind that.

New Horde warcry: I REGRET NOTHING AND I WOULD DO IT AGAIN

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I knew he was bloodthirsty lunatic I first saw in somewhere in outland (Nagrand I think). By the time I started leveling in MOP I remember thinking “the lunatic? He is the warchief?”

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:point_up: All of this. Horde now is nothing but human morals in a red paint, and it is a garbage way to represent different races that AREAN’T HUMANS.

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Downvote :-1:

I need the factions to unify so I can kiss void elves.

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No, if Garrosh had won he would have basically done the same thing Sylvanas had, but on a global scale. He was a huge racist/orc supremist.

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never said anything about RTS era warcraft

That’s because you don’t have the types of friends i do. I assure you, it’s more than possible.

That is actually true sadly but wasn’t always like this. This was just blizzard ruining his character & purposely making him comically evil at the last second because the writers dont want people relating to the bad guy.

They did this with Zuljin, Sylvanas, Arthas ect. The jailer for example, was written under such mentality.

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Several hundred thousand nelfs would disagree.

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It alone made SLs worth it. That scene was true to Garroshs character and hilarious all in one.

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COMMENTARY:

Playing Greenskin in Warhammer Online
Playing The Sith in SWTOR
Joining the Dark Brotherhood in ESO
Tricking players to go into the wild in Runescape to kill them and steal their loot
Stealing from others in Sea of Thieves.

If I wanted this dumb everyone is friends then I would play FF14; This bland NOCHAOSALLOWED look is why I do not like FF14.

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I don’t fully agree… I think the writers should have scrapped MOP version Garrosh, what in the world went through their minds when they saw how cool Cata Garrosh was and his reception and then went “no the story we planned for him is better” … then the story they planned for him destroyed his character went down as another example of killing a Horde leader and did some AU stuff for an expansion they rushed once they released and tried to move as quickly on to legion to.

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So.

What happens to all the non-orc races in Horde?

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if i can play as the bad guy, i automatically do :^)
I did in all of those! except Warhammer online never played that.

anyways, i used to main a rogue in WoW, and then i creeped into low level zone and…-

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REBUTAL: Pandaren starting quest flat out showed how Garrosh respected everyone… then the writers smacked and beat him with a villain bat.

Cant wait for the future of Warcraft…everyone being freinds in World of Warcraft

REPLY: Ironically the Chaos faction werent even EVIL… They just had different goals than the Order faction… some might see Greenskins behavior as evil but they simply have a different culture that people would call “Lawfully good”

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I absolutely despise how writers paint this narrative that Pandas can never be bad. Pandaren philosophy and way of life sounds so invasive and forceful

Some pandas just dont wanna be a part of social forced standards and philosophy, sounds an awful lot like a certain country with Social credit system whom pandas may or may not be based of.

Let pandas be chaotic. Some of em just wanna vibe and wrek havok.

Being in a environment that constantly and oppressively forces you to be this paragon is the most insufferable experience ever, it results the opposite.