Game is dying

With the same devs, same mentality, same corporate demands you’d get the same game.

Maybe some upgraded systems, probably a lot, lot more bugs because they’d spend so much time and money just implementing newer systems like a better character design/customization one among many others that they wouldn’t take the time to polish.

  • They’d release a game that would be absolutely savaged for its bugginess and not incorrectly.

  • People who’ve collected lots of things like myself would rightly complain about losing literal years, no, literal decades of work, grinding, achievements, mounts, gold, pets, etc, etc.

  • The game-world itself would likely look the same or be done in a slightly different engine from the same assets as I doubt they’d want to change Azeroth and would have the resources to both re-do the engine and everything under the hood while also re-doing the game world.

  • It would split the community and doom both version’s of wow or else they’d shut down the old one and a lot of people would walk away and never come back because of losing all their progress (and no, porting over achievements, character names, titles, even gold amounts and bag contents would not be enough). Overwatch 2 but a million times worse with a billion times as much rage given how much time investment is put into a 15+ year old MMORPG compared to a shooter.

  • It would require expensive parallel development alongside the next WoW expac as you have to keep giving people expacs to keep them paying, playing and ready to jump to your next ship and you can’t get a new game like this done in 2 years. That or biting the bullet, letting game development stop, losing the income, losing a lot of players and hoping you can get most of them and then some back.

  • People would ask anew what is up with Warcraft’s MMORPG and it’s awful, trash tier writing and how does it justify itself against better written and more lovingly developed games by competitors? South-Park the fantasy-mmorpg might have worked in the 2000s and early 2010s but having a lore that’s based off memeing off whatever the cultural meta is for a fantasy franchise that’s 25 years old is shameful and no longer interesting enough to keep attention. The laughs stopped coming years ago and the devs are lost and confused because it was always just a wing it joke to them.

WoW 2 should just be an expansion anyways. They already charge triple-A game prices for their expacs, not like they could get that much more money. Even 10 million piggies lining up to pay $80 versus $60 amounts to $200 million more which seems like a lot but for an undertaking of this size would not come close to the budgeting needed for hiring extra staff and all that would go into it as it would definitely be a 4-6 year effort.

That plus Blizzard’s company image is dead. They may be under Microsoft now but people are going to associate them with the ill treatment of players, the dev bullying and aloofness, the contempt, the elitism, the ignoring the RPG lovers and the MMO lovers to turn the game into whatever it is, the harassment scandal, the bad writing, the deteriorated quality, the customer service that went from #1 in industry to on the low side, etc, etc, etc.

If they’d launched WoW 2 while they still had their glow, say right after Cata or MoP or Wrath yeah they could have been in a strong position. Fact is none of the devs suspected it would last this long and at no point really pushed for long-term investment or else corporate didn’t listen and now it’s a run-down beater in a sketchy aging neighborhood and no one wants to invest in it, they’re just going to keep doing basic maintenance, maybe put a new GPS screen in but no engine overhaul because they’ve resigned themselves to it being a dead game walking and it’s only a matter of how many miles or how much money they can squeeze out of it before it like all clunkers fails catastrophically and is taken to the scrap heap.

And it will limp on for a while, they have so many fomo things, so much sense of investment via collectables like pets, toys, mounts, armor looks that can’t be neatly ported over to a new game with a new engine but which create a sense of investment in the remaining players who doggedly cling onto the dying game and all the thousands of hours they poured into it (plus potentially thousands of dollars in the form of subscription fees plus things like character services, store mounts, pets, toys, transmogs).

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WoW 2: Electric Boogaloo, just make a new planet? Or go with World of Starcraft or something.

I think a part of the problem we see with facets of this game dropping off is that it’s 19 years of the same same and if they really want to save WoW from themselves they need to rework pretty much how the game works.

Change how raiding, M+ and PVP work, just completely dump it all and start again.

For example with PVP, we have had the same thing forever, Arena and BGs, the BG may change, but it’s still the same, but what if you had a DOTA style PVP map for example? It’s still PVP, but it’s also not the same thing we currently have.

We just need something left of centre for the central pillars this game offers, because after 2 decades it gets really stale, and if you look at all the feedback from the S3 pool of dungeons, we would be lucky if anyone is going to play them.

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It has got to be the slowest, most lingering death I’ve ever witnessed. It started dying when? 2006?

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anyone could have guessed we would have 10.2 in november/december as it fits the timeline.

this season hasn’t had the greatest affixes and some weeks just killed anyone doing keys to get 8 and done rather than pushing to see what to get.

its not an excuse. its a literal fact that players slowly quit playing as a season goes on if the filler patches don’t introduce anything worth while. and frankly these last few have been bottom barrel with small retaining power. So unless you were pushing for 3k or CE there’s little to do because everyone is decently geared for what they do. Also Normal and Heroic raids are being farmed for mount cosmetic so that increases its rerun ability

If they started all over, I’d skip town never to return.

Your ideas are terrible.

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WOW IS DYING!!! LOL - sure it is.

Yes the most slowest lingering death ever witnessed. Like watching grass grow in reverse.

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Just because you can repost my post to make your point doesn’t make you right lmao GL Kid

That’s because you’re a reasonable person. Now stop it and get on our level.

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I’m pretty sure grass grows faster than this game has been dying. Not only did the game not die it produced children.

It’s like we’re all waiting for our trust fund inheritance from our dear grandpapa… You know, once he kicks the bucket.

Only our inheritance will be some misguided self reassurance that our pet peeve that wasn’t introduced into the game could have save it because it did (eventually) die.

Some people are going to be waiting awhile for that affirmation

I for one and shocked that WoD 2.0 was not more popular the second time.

Shocked.

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It’s crazy how much people are downplaying the obvious player fall off in this thread. WoW isn’t dead and I wouldn’t expect it to die anytime soon, but I wouldn’t call it healthy either. I don’t know that I’ve ever seen participation this low, especially in the middle of an expansion. We clearly need some major overhauls to get players back and bring in new players.

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Just because you say stuff on the internet doesn’t make you anymore correct.

Thank god my reporting them for hours on end finally paid off.

WoW sub on game pass, Problem solved.

Honestly a culling of our spells, or at the very least make passive abilities equally as strong as on use abilities to allow for the keyboard warriors to still have something to do, but also allow console and controller users to participate as some high level would be the first step needed.

Or give some percentage power boost for controller users, maybe even revert their /cast @target ground effects to allow controller users some assistance, because using a keyboard in a game like this no matter how you look at it is always far advantageous to a controller.

I can aim my ground effects with a mouse, good luck doing that with a controller. Choosing what enemy to interrupt is like shooting ducks as a carnival, and if the reports are accurate, in S3 there is a litany of interrupts in the new seasons dungeons.

Putting the game on Game Pass will help, but there are some changes they need to make that will really help bring more players in, a lot of people play on a controller because it’s easier, and the games designed for controllers work better than a keyboard, it almost never works the other way around.

They keep trying because the raiders cried a river of salty tears.

No they need to keep M+, just rework it. I’d give suggestions, but at the end of the day there has to be a way to have a scaling key system without the timer. Remove the timer, get rid of this stupid go go go attitude and it will make many aspects of this game better.

Just look at TW, I can grab my Dh, launch myself to the moon and grab all the enemies along the way and they will be dead before anyone catches up. Plus I can skip this that and the other, including some bosses. Temple of Jade Serepent, people are running left, killing that boss and then going through the back and just skipping an entire boss for the same end of dungeon reward.

If they gave more rewards for killing all the bosses, including optional ones from Cata dungeons, you might find people actually slowing down a bit in TW, and it would be the same in M+, no timer, but optional side quests that increase your chances at loot, or more flightstones, more crests, higher iLVL gear and so on.

What is this? You expect to get everything you want, and you’re blaming the people who want something different because they aren’t willing to become a hivemind and think completely alike? You mean like you are? Surely anybody who thinks other people should act as a hivemind must be someone who is doing that themselves.

The reward for killing all the bosses in TW is more chances at the Infinite Timereaver.

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No reason for me to do all the bosses then, and since a good number of people don’t care for mounts, no reason for them either. TW doesn’t even drop flightstones, adding it to the vault was a good start, but that just means spam 8 even faster.

They really need to get rid of the go go go attitude and eSports, they are both a part of what is killing this game. Many players who are still here from the start didn’t start playing for those reasons, and many left because of it.