The easiest way for a new player to compete with day 1 grob mobbers in GDKPs especially those who had mage boosters in vanilla like myself is to swipe your credit card. Nobody is going to want to do a months worth of dailies to lose against a vet willing to drop 10k on Grim Tol
Thats why you dont bid on anything for 1 week and you get 5-6 at the end of that gdkp and you now have 5-6k more to spend next week.
You get 10k+ just from levelling alone. Then if you just one week of dailies on 1 toon youd have 4k on top of that. I could level a toon from 70-80 this week and by the 2nd weekend id have 20k without stepping foot in a raid or buying gold
No GDKP is taking “buyers” who don’t bid or have sub 3k GS(this conversation is about new players remember)
When the pool of players looking for low level dungeons on each server is 0, then adding them all together is still 0.
When the pool of players became 0 because they couldnt get groups for content they wanted to do, youd increase the size of that pool by making it more accessible. I myself refuse to level unless its AV weekend or JJ because of no RDF and vanilla and tbc questing alone is godawful boring
By adding RDF youd add me to the pool of players which already proves your argument that it doesnt increase the size wrong
Several pvp pieces are very strong for pve, and gold buys BoE pieces.
It’s literally not hard to start raiding, there’s still plenty of Naxx/EOE/OS pugs every day and theyre not picky on GS.
Again…you have to actually log in and play the game.
Well no what you’re saying is just log in and AFK while watching youtube on your second monitor. Not login and actually play.
Who is saying to afk in BGs? Each BG win is 27g and 10k honor buys a ruby which sells for 50-70g each.
If you hear “bgs is one way to make gold or pick up gear” and think “log in and afk and watch netflix” then may I suggest you don’t play video games because they require any effort to get stuff.
You are the one suggesting that. If someone doesn’t like doing BG’s how is telling them to just spam BG’s when they hit 80 a good solution? How does that not result in someone who doesn’t want to be in the BG being there and therefore doing the bare minimum to not get afkd out?
huh? one wg is 16k honor or more with quests. Queue around 2-3 mins before close and you are almost guaranteed a quick game, either by joining a game late, or an imbalanced game with tenacity stacks.
TLDR honor gear takes no time at all to get
then don’t do BGs, jesus
Exactly which is why I’d like RDF in game as that provides another option.
ay it is too late to try to get into this game
this nostalgia trip passed its middle point. don’t expect to jump right into end game now. enjoy leveling and chill
Pretty standard ![]()
Every next day from launch is worse for new players than the day before, with the exception of intermittent rallies from external injections ie joyous journies, seasonal breaks, covid etc. It’s like office space. Everyday is the worst day of your life for a new player in a wow expansion. All the way through to prepatch next expansion.
My experience has been totally different to yours,
I recently embarked on a new alt journey and decided other than heirlooms I’m going to just play the character without any guildies or gold from my main
Granted I’m only level 52 currently but I’ve probably ran close to 50 dungeon clears at this point and done maybe 300-350 quests.
I have 1,600g from selling low level cloth and greens on the AH.
Made a few friends along the way.
I’ve also been levelling mining though it’s currently lagging behind.
You can’t take your experience as gospel, because it’s not the same for everyone.
I’ve personally been enjoying my character so far im playing a role I’m not that familiar with, I’m just chilling out and playing the game with no expectation of what should or shouldn’t be happening, no desire to rush through the game as fast and as efficiently as possible and it’s been fun. I’m excited to push it into outlands then finally onto northrend
I’ll bring the same mindset to 80 gearing, heroics, p1 raid, whatever it doesn’t matter
I would hazard a guess that “people aren’t really running normals or even heroics anymore” because getting to lvl 80 is a solo quest slog with no dungeons because theres never anyone around and not everyone rolled into a mega guild/plays during the peak times/plays on the dominant faction so on and so forth and once they hit 80 they are then left with the lfg roulette of putting themselves down for all the heroics then getting nothing but h+ invites and either being wise and declining, or saying yes then being booted when the party leader finds they have 10k less hp than everyone else - aka fresh geared /kick.
Theres so much wrong with the progression from lvl 1 to being raid ready now that anyone who was considering getting into wotlk classic or someone starting a new alt even is just stonewalled by an immeasurable amount of roadblocks and none of them existed in the original wotlk. Server pops were higher, people ran lower lvl dungeons, heroic dungeons were much easier to get into and werent split between 2 forms of “heroic”
Only reason people are doing h+ is for the daily and the +3 badges from the one a day bonus bag - which only comes from looting the daily boss. After that 1 and done no one else runs them. If you wanted to do a full sweep you’ll be waiting HOURS just for 1, and thats not even 100%. It is possible to wait hours and not get anything because the one you want isnt the daily
Its easily worse than retail.
Of course wow classic is worse than retail. Both games heavily favor for you to be at max level to experience the most content. In Retail, you can start a new character and be level 60 (the level to start dragonflight) in under 12 hours gametime without ever going into a dungeon.
Dungeon experiences leveling on retail are awful. Queues are quick, but the tank usually just runs straight to the boss and you just AOE down all of the trash that was picked up along the way. You can be in and out of an instance in under 10 minutes. I have retail on my HDD, and i swear people are already off my minimap before I finish loading in.
Retail leveling is great, you just pick an expansion you want to level in, and just casually go from quest hub to quest hub. All the gear from quests scale to your level, quests that give loot always give upgrades. Its all streamlined.
How long does it take to get from 1 to 70 in wotlk classic? Like 40-50 hours ish? Even if you could dungeon grind, that can’t take off more than 10 hours from that grind. And you still have 10 more to go.
The only thing that would help classic feel more like retail is if joyous journey was like 400% bonus experience. And no amount of RDF in classic will help it feel like retail, not unless they just completely boost dungeon experience to an insane degree.
Seriously, even if a new character in wotlk classic started at level 70, you could go from 1 to 60 in retail in about the same time as going from 70 to 80 in wotlk.
The issue is people don’t level alts, if they do they way for Joyous Journeys to be back.
60 to 80 many ride out CTA’s. Less open world, more BG.
I personally have a soon 73 who has called CTA WSG, then CTA AB and now CTA SOTA home for the weekend since about level 58.
Next is CTA AV. Guess where I will be next weekend lol. Hell, Guess where many will be next weekend lol.
I may open world it to reduce levels needed in AV. But since rested is burned out soon I may inn rest her and visit the HC-era char lol. who has been inn resting too.
I like that rested xp per trash mob kill too much. When it goes away I stop questing a bit.
Yep ill be in AV next weekend 100%
As a player who hasn’t played in a long long time and feel basically like starting new. I feel it’s the best it’s ever been