Frustration with VElves and Nightborne

void elves? no. san’layn? definitely. but i get what you’re really asking. “would belf players prefer an allied race that is derivative of blood elves?” and it’s a safe bet to say most of us would. i would.

here’s the thing. alliance players won’t stop prattling on about high elves. blizzard magicked up void elves to give them something without straight up letting them poach a carbon copy of belves. and to be fair, they gave us nightborne.
i’m on your side though. i think nightborne should have gone to the alliance, but they had to give us some incarnation of one of your races if you were going to get one of ours.

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" One similarity between night elves, high elves, and blood elves has only recently come about. The night elves sacrificed their immortality and much of their power at the end of the Third War. Thus, all elves are now mortal and have comparable lifespans that can extend as long as several thousand years."

That’s what the encyclopedia states, they have comparable lifespans, and that’s pretty cut and dry.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/The_Warcraft_Encyclopedia/Night_Elves
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That isn’t what we see in the Lore with Pre-sundering borne Nightborne living 6,000 years longer than Blood Elves and younger generation Nightborne.

So, you are wrong. Now stop derailing the thread please.

Uhg, can All elves just leave their factions and join up? All the humans and “Humans with longer ears” are boring me.

Nope, that’s what the encyclopedia states. The Nightborne are as per Blizzards own words ‘No longer true Night Elves’ due to their Nightwell exposure, so they can’t really be lumped in with the other races.

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But the ones born as Night Elves live several Thousand years longer than younger generations of the same race… We see this with the Shen’dralar as well, who had no access to a magical well.

So you are wrong. Now this thread isn’t about Elf lifespans. If you want to make a thread talking about lifespans, you can do so.

As per a Thousand Years of War, page 5, the Blood Elves had a sort of immortality due to the Sunwell. I would assume that the same would extend to the Nightborne and the Nightwell. The Shen’dralar were also immortal due to demonic magic and began to violently cull one another to maintain that immortality before we break them of their demonic addiction in year 25.

So no, not really.

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“Sort of” But we know 3,800 years is ancient by Blood Elf Standards, because Keal’thas’ father was described as such.

False, they were satisfying their magic addition. Immortality was not in the picture.

Seriously though, read the title of the thread. This is not a discussion about Elf life spans. Say something on-topic or go away.

Yeah but that could be for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is war and conflict, we don’t really have a picture of an elf dying of old age, though Voren’thal is noted as getting frailer as time goes on. Not sure if Night Elves don’t do that either though, since they became susceptible to all sorts of illnesses once their immortality was stripped.

As per Chronicles 1 page 133, their immortality was actually the entire axis by which the plan of the Shen’dralar revolved where they began to siphon demonic energy to sustain themselves after the Well of Eternity’s destruction cut them off from said immortality and they began to fall into a deep lethargy.

Also, the immortality is relevant to previous points made in this thread and warrants discussion. We wouldn’t want to continue arguing this on faulty information now would we?

Edit: Also I was just informed Anastarian was about five thousand years old at the time of his death, and Lorash being present for the Highbornes exile makes him push seven thousand years old.

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Mental gymnastics that I don’t have time for.

They don’t

No, it was magic addiction. I am not going to tolerate lies.

Which were also off-topic.

Still negligible compared to Nelf Life spans.

This is Blizzard forgetting their own lore.

Now go away or say something on-topic.

Nope! That is what Chronicles 1 states, if you haven’t read that, you should probably read that.

And as per a Thousand Years of War, a ‘sort of immortality’ would allow you to push several thousand years, perhaps seven thousand, so we can’t even say they forgot their own lore because it’s reinforced by a book that JUST came out.

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I have read it, and you are lying. Which is something you often do when you start to lose arguments.

I am done wasting my time with you. I never liked talking to you, you are just troll people to death because you have nothing better to do. Go away.

Well that’s great, but saying i’m wrong doesn’t actually make me wrong so…for everyone else who wants to actually read the relevant information: Chronicles Page 133 goes into detail about how the plan to contain the demon was meant to sustain their immortality as well as sustain their magic addiction.

If i’m somehow inaccurate feel free to say so, preferably with actual arguments rather then flaccid accusations of lying.

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This was all kinda retconned by Lorash, who would be about 6000ish years old.

It’s not a lie. Least you could do is check his source before trying to call it out. Here’s the excerpt straight from Chronicles.

“Without the font of power to draw on, Tortheldrin and his followers saw their immortality greatly diminished. The Shen’dralar soon fell into a deep lethargy and languished in their isolated sanctuary.
Tortheldrin eventually formulated a plan to revitalize the Shen’dralar. He forged pylons in one of the damaged wings of Eldre’Thalas, constructing a prison to hous a new source of power: a demon named Immol’thar.”

And a second excerpt that shows Immol’thar did grant them immortality:

“Nearly nine thousand years after the Sundering, the demon’s prison crossed a dangerous threshold. it began consuming so much energy that the Shen’dralar were left with none to siphon for themselves. Almost overnight, Tortheldrin’s seemingly ingenious plan unraveled, and his access to the demon’s magic was gone.
Not only had the Shen’dralar lost their immortality once again, but they had also grown hopelessly addicted to Immol’thar’s potent energies.”

Restoring their immortality was a part of the whole thing. One can even argue that, due to Chronicle’s wording, it was the main reason for it.

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Except you are… I have proven it time and time again throughout this thread DESPITE the fact that this thread was not intended for this discussion. I asked you repeatedly to get back on topic or stop posting, which you ignored.

You are lying, that is what you do. You follow me around all over the forums and just troll and bully me. You havn’t the last several months, so I had hoped you finally moved on. It would seem not, and I am sick of it already.

Leave.me.alone.

I think Lorash is more of an Oversight on Blizzards part, rather than a retcon.

It is.

Immol’thar never granted them immortality.

But it never did.

Have you ever considered that I disagree with you because I think you are wrong rather then some malice? I mean I can’t completely strip malice from every post i’v made, at a point the accusations you level against me are treated with hostility because they warrant nothing less, but I don’t really pick out targets to hound.

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No, because that is not how you conduct yourself.

You are still here.

I mean frankly the way you attack me, or indeed many other people you disagree with is more indicative of malice then that. I don’t feel the need to baselessly accuse people of lying because more often then not, when information seems plain to me but someone else disagrees, one of us is interpreting the information wrong rather then us going out of our way to harm one another.

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It literally says in Chronicles that draining his power gave them immortality.

I… I just typed it out right there. Word for word from the book.

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No, it just says they were siphoning magic. It does not mention that they actually gained immortality from it.

Except the part where it says they lost their immortality again when they were unable to keep drinking demon juice.

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