Sometimes I just want to do a frostbolt build with no ray or GS buff the talents for frostbolt so it can do some dmg
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If they buff frostfire, they’re just going to nerf the rest of your damage to compensate.
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I on the other hand would prefer if they never make a Frostbolt build viable again. I agree that there should be an alternative to Glacial Spike, but our filler shouldn’t be it.
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if you buff it it wont be filler now will it? It use to be our biggest damage when the game was dope
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I like it as a filler spell but would prefer them to keep the burst on our cool downs like it is now. So I agree with you.
Sick mog by the way.
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In order to make Frostbolt and/or Frostfire bolt worth a darn is to have some way of making it hit a frozen target outside of WC.
Remember the NoIL build and how that was a disgusting, degenerate playstyle? What you’re asking for is even worse, wanting all your damage to come from FFB. That’s not how current Frost is built, and is not how it should ever be built. The devs have instead spent some years trying to move away from 2-button spam like we had for NoIL, or the Fragments SL legendary.
Buffing FFB to the point where its damage matters, as was pointed out, would mean having to nerf other abilities. Doing so makes them redundant, meaning you stop casting other abilities like IL, Flurry, Orb, Ray, GS, and CmS on single target. It could even get to the point where AoE would be to drop a blizzard, then cast FFB on single target. No one wants to play that (and if you do, perhaps RPGs are not the game for you).
Building all your damage into FFB is a terrible idea, to the point where you might as well be asking to bring the WE back but have it do 99% of your dps for you.
Half of Frost’s spells are redundant as it is. You’re not casting IL into a WC if GS is up; nor are you casting GS into WC if IL out damages it(Think Legion and pre-“fix” DF). And to say FFB having a significant amount of your DPS takes the rest of the spells out of your rotation is just absolute garbage. Ice Lance has been pushing spells out of our rotation since Legion. If you remember GS and RoF were spells you could pick back then, but you didn’t because IL spam just did soo much more damage and NoIL only exacerbated the issue because instead of Blizzard learning if Ice Lance increased all frost damage instead of just IL damage NoIL wouldn’t have been a thing, and even if not that NoIL only became a thing because instead of having our damage come from the mix of spells, it only really comes from procs. Honestly, when a critical Frostbolt is doing less damage than a non-critical IL, our damage profile is way off.
And I think some Mages are tired of this keep IV up as long as possible or suffer a dps loss playstyle. They should have never tried to make Frost play like Fire and should have leaned more heavily into shatter; and the ability to increase procs with increased stats.
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No thanks I’d rather not spam Frostbolt that sounds terrible.
It’s literally what happened the last 3 times they pushed Frostbolt to deal significant damage. FFB will already have that chance to proc things, interacts with talents and abilities, and will cause the things in the FFB tree to happen - and that’s when it is the weakest spell in the kit. Buffing it would push players to ignore other abilities, because they deal less damage and don’t do any of the things mentioned above.
Frostbolt’s “job” is the generate procs. That’s it. It’s that spell you use to do the things that allow you to do more damage with other spells and abilities. That’s the intent of the spell, while our other bigger abilities deal higher damage. That’s the damage profile, and it feels better than spamming 2 spells ever did.
Speak for yourself bro. Necro Frost was fun. I don’t really like the no Ice lance gameplay though.
Just as they did with Ice Lance. I remember when they made that shift. Since 7.1 the only times we had any other spells to cast who’s “job” wasn’t to allow us to cast more Ice Lance was BFA and NoIL. The whole Thermal Void playstyle revolves around casting almost nothing but Ice Lance or Ice Lance support spells to keep Icy Veins up as long as possible. You never too Glacial Spike or any other non-proccing spell because it took up that precious Winter’s Chill debuff slot from Ice Lance.
That’s why I’m all for Frostbolt and Frostfire Bolt actually doing damage again. Gives us more spells to cast. Would make casting Frostbolt into a Flurry/Frostfire Bolt feel more meaningful damage-wise instead of just because.
Necro Frost was NoIL for the most part. AoE was literally Orb, Blizzard, Frostbolt and Flurry.
They can solve that with this one easy trick the Government doesn’t want you to know: Have Chain Reaction buff all damage instead of just IL when it hits a frozen target. Do this, and you are literally losing damage by not casting IL.
Nah, that’s terrible. The better alternative would be to include Ice Lance and Flurry on Fractured Frost and maybe even Icicles so it would be an alternative to Glacial Spike. Even then, I’d still wish for them to completely kill Death’s Chill. Then include Ice Lance on Cold Front.
Has anyone here tried the deathborne build with Frostfire tree? Deathborne cancer is probably way stronger in TWW than it ever was in SL. WE giving a debuff is an extra 15% damage on top of that. Then, FF tree has a lot of things that buff frostfire bolt under various conditions. I’m curious how hard it hits/how valid the complaint is if you go deathborne and for all the talents that buff frostbolt (which I presume also buff frostfire bolt).
Tangentially, our dev seems to hate the right half of our frost tree. Both our hero talent trees for frost synergize better with the left than the right. Which I have mixed feeligns about. I really hate living inside of IV, I also don’t don’t always appreciate how inconsistent GS damage is.
I’m hoping the Deathborne play style will buff Frostfire Bolt and give a simpler rotation. I love the Mage class & used to really enjoy it when it had a simpler rotation & was highly mobile. I took a several year break & came back for Dragonflight. I basically played season 1 of DF and want to be able to play the game but the complexity is really too much for me. I need a Boomer Spec & am hoping maybe Deathborne will be that spec.
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Arcane is unironically more likely to become a boomer spec with how easy they’re making it.
Deathborne as a seasonal mechanic was already bad enough, but now as an evergreen playstyle in the talent tree is gonna feel extremely terrible. I really hope people complain about it enough coming June 5th so it gets removed before it goes live.
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Would you mind explaining why Deathborne would feel terrible? I did not play Shadow Lands and my only knowledge is from a video I saw on youtube & it looked kind of fun to me.