I agree. Spike sucks. Mobility is king.
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I agree, mobility is King. Good news for ice floes and shimmer then, huh?
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I loved how frost was fast, reactive, and mobile. Hard-casting a long spell just feels bad, and I dislike how my rotation and play is forced to revolve around it. Keeping a five-count in my head to line up a 2 sec hard cast with the crit debuff just isn’t as fun to me as moving around, weaving instant cast spells as procs and cooldowns allow, and setting up windows for burst with comets and ray of frost.
I don’t begrudge people for liking Glacial Spike, I just hate having to use it.
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Pretty much this.
Many PVE players want to keep Season 3 bonus, but many PVP-es hate it up to the point where they play without tier set or without Glacial Spike at all.
Possible solutions:
- Let people pick the tier set bonus in Season 4 via simply allowing to convert pieces to either of them at highest item level, but also allowing only 1 set bonus active simultaneously (so that people won’t exploit using 2 2-set bonuses).
- Make tier set apply Season 3 bonus in PVE and Season 2 or 1 in PVP. Not sure Blizzard would let that happen, but picking only one of them would please one part of Mage community and piss off the other.
- Finally make a separate PVP tier set bonus that is enabled instead of current in PVP areas, combat and instances. Versatility bonus at 2 set and additional PVP talent slot as 4 set could suffice and require minimum implementation.
Then use Ice Floes and move while casting Spike.
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Sheesh. Lotta Spike haters in chat.
There’s still a week till the results are in. At the end of the day, whatever is chosen I’d be fine with, but I’ve gotten used to glacial spike. There’s nothing else like it.
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If they are going to be balanced against each other, why not let each individual player pick their own set???
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i’m main PvE and i hate that dumb spike, i want to be a ice machingun
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I’m shocked that S3 is dominating the poll. PvE here and I absolutely loathe Spike. Had a miserable time this tier because of it. (Just imo) it feels clunky. It also completely changes the flow of the spec from rapid fire whack-a-mole to setting up 1 big hit which is fine for those who enjoy it, but mandating it through bonuses kind of blows.
I’m also of the opinion that MoP-style talent trees gave us more actual choice because despite what was touted as optimal, the choices were actually balanced enough that I never actually felt weaker taking what was fun and why it’s good that there are still choice nodes in the current trees.
-Taking Invocation or Incanter’s Flow instead of Rune of Power so I’m not rooted.
-Taking Frost Bomb instead of NT/LB so I don’t have to be a multidot spec.
-Taking Thermal Void so I don’t have to manage Spikes.
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Can we get a separate vote for PVP
S2-S3 4sets are horridly bad in pvp.
OR can we at least un-nerf it since its a proc
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How the hell is s3 winning rn
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Same here.
Not that I abhor GS, just that I want it to be at least somewhat optional.
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Season 3 set bonus is the way. Glacial-Spike is <3.
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All the pve’ers suck. S3 is terrible.
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It’s not even that.
It’s that GS becomes a must like it is now.
What happens when Blizz nerfs the crap out of it for reasons?
This whole thing has us picking blind.
Meh. They should bring back pvp sets with their own bonuses to avoid this situation.
Glacial Spike is a lot of fun in pve but it can be a pain to use in pvp.
Still… I have to vote for myself and I want g-spike for the primary content I do on my mage. 
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GS is fun, but a set bonus around something you talent into is not fun.
Forced gameplay is not fun.
Meta builds are not fun.
Being able to run what I like or want to try and still be of value to my team, very fun. Player agency and value of choice, very fun.
Sad that we are given this false sense of agency only to divide us.
I voted 3 because GS cleave is fun. I find it fun. I just wish i didn’t have to go against a portion of my mage community to play the way I like to play.
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Must be bots voting or something. If this poll is binding, consider my sub canceled.
Doesn’t GS have the same cast time as Frostbolt now? If not, its super similar. I think most people are also fine with having to cast once in a while.
They hate having to push more than Ice Lance to do damage. Either that or they find it hard to count to 5.
There are about 4000 weakauras and UI addons that do that for you. They literally have a 1-5 count, then have big glowy things telling you that GS is ready. If that’s too much then modern WoW is not for you (and by modern I mean anything in the last 15 years).
Rofl. Did you cancel in S3? Did you cancel in every other tier you didn’t get the bonus you wanted? Bye felicia.
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Contrary to most of you…I actually like GS. I’ve liked it since Legion, it’s a satisfying smack when it hits. I was happy to see it get to shine for once this tier, however, I also don’t like tier bonuses that shoehorn you into a specific talent build. That goes for any class (I likewise wasn’t really pleased with Demo Lock S2 tier where you were forced into Grimoire). I don’t think it should force builds like that. I think it should have been something akin to GP has the 40% chance, and other abilities also have a (lesser) chance to do so, thus you have choice.
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