While bringing it in line with DW is important, it isn’t the underlying issue with the spec. People will most likely bring anything over a Frost Death Knight and it’s because of how unreliable our kit is. As Frost, we have zero room to make the mistakes other classes can. We need an overall damage increase and at least an Obliterate or Pillar of Frost buff.
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i feel like pillar should last way longer.
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The nerf that made Pillar of Frost last 12 seconds was an absolute joke. Like why? Who looked at Pillar of Frost and thought “Wow, that’s busted. Needs a nerf.”?
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Yes the 2% 2H buff does not address the overall weakness of Frost.
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then added avenging wrath to it why?
Realistically to buff 2h Frost - the priority of the buff buckets must go in this order:
- Frost DK overall
- Obliteration build
- 2-handed tuning
The reason is because the overall health of FDK is bad, even at its most optimal build of DW BoS. That means at an overall macro level, FDK needs buffs to its core kit (which means maybe adding things baseline/making new talents/buffing talents).
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I’ve played this game since vanilla and have never posted on forums but the state of Death Knights are so terrible to the point its unplayable in arenas for 2s in shadowlands which is a huge disappointment. Frost Death Knights barely do any damage out of pillar of frost windows and the toolkit has actually been nerfed a lot since wrath and cataclysm.
I read a lot of posts saying DK is a DW spec but im saying to all people who love this class, im going to call BS on that. DK had always since its inception in wotlk been a 2H Spec.
I dont get what in the world people are happy with a vomit talent called breath and think its cool and a stupid turnip of a chillstreak with pathetic range to the point its not useable or viable unless set up properly and the opponent is non mentally challenged to walk out of the chillstreak range.
I am going to link a video from a DK pvper back in my time when I played the class and how the class should be. Plate Melee should pressure ranged when it gets up close. but with the buffs for boomkins and fire mages with all this insta casts the state of melee is very bad. its almost like an age of mogoloid wiz cleave in arenas.
go watch the vedio to see what the dk toolkit in wotlk can do and what we are supposed to be peels and pressure. with the state dks are in its very bad peels with the buffs other classes have got since wotlk and nerfs dk has taken.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_DGS0t-zSY
and no a 2% 2 hander damage is going to do jack for the class. I hope the developers for the DK class review the whole toolkit and actually try playing arenas or pvp before trying to fix the mess the class is atm.
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meant to post on my DK.
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the 2% buff do not buff the DOTs stupid BLIZZ
Its because it should and they kneejerk nerfed it back in Oct. Pillar should last 15-20 seconds in my opinion, and if you think 20 is to long you have to remember that every other global is spent on something other than obliterate and also that mechanics for pve and CC for PvP exist. Currently frost is punished way to heavily for playing the game properly compared to other classes who have the mobility to be in and out on the fly
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Which 4 horsemen do you want to look at though? The ones from original Naxx? The ones from Wrath Naxx? The ones for the class order hall?
The current ones are shown to use all sorts of weapons and it depends on if they are on their horse or not. Darion walking around Oribos is DW, Sally has been shown to have no weapon, a staff, a 2h weapon.
12 seconds feels like 6 with pillar ngl. our burst window is tiny.
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12 seconds to seal the deal with pillar is plenty long enough if they could apply pressure outside of the window. thats why ret is so strong besides the healing, They can keep players off balance because of pressure outside of CD window.
Wat?
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Fam no offense but you dont know what youre talking about and youre missing the point. Our damage outside of cds should be more yes but pillar also doesnt need to be 12 seconds long thats VERY short and its easily punished in relevant content with simple cc or in pve certain mechanics. Its not long enough.
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As a wise man once said, never settle for mediocrity.
You pay your sub fee, you deserve a functional spec. Frost is a joke spec right now compared to Unholy and virtually any other melee DPS spec. Settling for borderline mockery like this “buff” is how you get ignored for an entire expansion.
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I play a few alts and don’t want another overlord class dominating PvP land with no real back and forth gameplay. It gets boring, fast. As far as PvE mechanics, you got me there. I wouldn’t know.
If they’re gonna leave POF 12 seconds we should be able to spam obliterate the entire time not this every other Global crap. I’m lucky to get three obliterates off in that 12 seconds most of the time it’s one or two due to CC or people moving
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Why has chains of ice stop applying frost fever ??? U have to use two globals and 2 runes to coi + howling blast vs stealth.
Howling blast secondary target damage toned down in pvp ?
The dragon ability dk have does -60% damage reduction in pvp .
Our % crit is 10-15% fully geared. Fire mages get 100% crit in combustion ; rouges 100% crit 4 secs out of stealth. If our pillar of strength window is 12 seconds consider making everything we do 100% crit in that window. At least in that window we can trade major cds. Get bubble, barkskin pain Sup etc. Since by going pillar of strength we are Snaring ourselves as well.
Where are the other diseases as a frost dk ?
Death coil to self heal cost so much runic power now, previously this wasn’t the case.
AMS is such a Low absorb and will just be deleted together with the dk during convoke. Yes AMZ can be used vs convoke but with silence root beam convoke and | or the gcd for amz I doubt there will be many DKs who can survive this.
Where is baseline strangulate.
Coi used to be 100% snare slowing reducing to 90% , 80% etc. Did dk become weaker over the years while all other classes become stronger and more mobile ?
Something is seriously wrong when a non crit 2 handed obliterate does 1.x k when a 1 handed weapon strike by a leather class can do much more.
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Oh dks aren’t doing so hot. The ones who are finding success have very good partners who are essentially carrying them… dks are a support role now
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