If you are against a fresh server release you are out of touch with this community.
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How many times do I have to repeat myself? It’s the players logic for fresh servers I have an issue with, which is what this thread is about. Or was anyway.
And you got that backwards champ, its the community that’s out of touch. The bulk of people who you’re referring too prefers Cata and SoD to Era and it aint close dude. This is the same community that took a huge dump on Classic and abandoned it en masse to play TBC and wouldn’t even lay down five bucks for a clone and literally begged for RDF so don’t presume to lecture me about the community.
Being out of touch with this bought in and sold out dopamine addict community is a badge of honor, not an insult.
In other news, Blizz is gonna do what Blizz is gonna do - or not do. I have no say in it, no control over anything and so I simply don’t sweat it or even think about it. Whether they come or not is not going to have any bearing on how I enjoy the game so it makes no difference to me. From a debate standpoint, how I personally feel about it is not relevant to the discussion since its not about me. Same goes for everyone else. You’re of the opinion we should get them and/or we are getting them. Okay, you’re entitled to that but that’s not what Im talking about here.
In short, you can’t criticize my personal opinions as Im not arguing them. That’s your fallacious and bogus move and it will fail every time in an intellectually honest discussion which you guys make impossible.
While slightly incendiary, the OP asked a question which begged angry trolls to come out of the woodwork and I tried to give them an honest answer that wouldn’t incite a flame war.
We had a little back and forth with some of the usual fresh server tropes and my responses were cherry picked by others so they can build a strawman and purposefully misrepresent my stance and twist it to say that there’s absolutely no way you’re getting fresh servers this towards the end of the month like that’s relevant somehow. Hint: Its not.
For the record though, I don’t think they’re coming, I don’t think theyre warranted, deserved or necessary in any capacity. I wholly admit I could be wrong though. Stranger things have happened. Flankerr will feel great if they launch and won’t waste a second rub it in my face but it would be a shallow victory since they were arguing with their own strawman and it doesn’t change anything Ive said in relation to the topic.
If you wanna discuss something instead of simply trolling, read my responses and pick something relevant to refute. Your ad hom aint cutting it.
Tell yourself whatever you need to, I aint bothered. I tried to get you back on topic. You just wanna be salty because Im not in the business of validating godawful takes.
Fresh repeats are the reason you get to play on your server in the first place. Know your place peasant. Understand it was we who got you here
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That makes zero sense which seems to be a theme with you. Its in a cluster now but I play on a 5 year old launch day server. Its not a “fresh repeat” whatever the heck that it is. We have yet to see a fresh Era server. It helps to know what you’re talking about which I will never accuse you of.
Blizzard’s answer for restart junkies are the seasonal servers. Enjoy it while you can.
I do know my place because I can see you way down there in the troll zone.
Nah, you didnt but don’t let me intrude on your narcissistic fantasy. Four years of e-begging and you’re demands have yet to be acknowledged let alone realized.
Even if Blizz does drop fresh servers, and thats a decent sized if, rest assured you had nothing to do with it.
are u actually this dumb? the reason classic wow is even a thing on official server in the first place is due to the shutting down of nost - blizz invited the nost team to their HQ to talk about classic wow official after seeing the recurring theme of villa fresh pservers.
you would not have been playing on your server for the last 5 years if not for this events
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Pretty much what that dude said. You’re basically calling us (which means ur calling the nost team) narcissistic and literally fresh repeats are the reason classic wow exists as stated abov
Not a good look for era personality to be calling people who enjoy the game in a different fashion then you a narcissist
Your quite literally exactly that by telling the majority of the population which yes, are fresh enjoyers that they’re wrong because you said so except you’re a literal nobody. I’ve been unsubbed for over a year and obly recently resubbed to prep my UI etc for the fresh announce which for some reason you seem to be completely out of the loop on. If fresh wasn’t coming I would still be unsubbed, I get DMs for days about it from people in my same exact position
Your shaming tactics which are basically all your reasons “it’s not needed” but all the other era ppl are saying the same thing. They don’t want to “do the grind again” and that’s what differentiates era from freshers. Freshers want to do that grind in phase gates like it always has been, they don’t care about their chars lasting forever bc that’s not the goal. Once their fun is over they play something else and eventually the fresh itch comes back. Like it or hate it but you’re the only one on here writing entire novels about it
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We got Classic because Brack offended the posers and their streamer gods with his totally accurate and prophetic commentary, the Nostalrius shutdown was not handled with the appropriate amount of grace (the Nost team was brought in to save face because it became a PR disaster) but perhaps the biggest reason - which was totally acknowledged by everyone on the forum at the time - was because Blizzard was having real trouble enforcing their IP abroad due to international abandonware laws.
They were looking at a total repeat of the DotA situation which they lost on miserably and cost them the IP. That’s why you got Classic so lets not get it twisted and pretend it was all Nost and pserver players dashing to every new LHC emulator launch.
Outside of Nost and perhaps one or two others, most pservers were a joke of a replica and almost no one was playing on them.
Pirate servers were on the go the go for a decade, people asked for official vanilla servers during the same time period and Blizz laughed in our faces that entire time. If Blizz had their way, there would be no classic. That makes me a little skeptical of you’re ‘we’re the real heroes/savior narrative’.
You’re taking full credit for something you had a tiny role in while calling me a peasant who should know their place. If you dont like being called a narcissist then dont rage like one.
You’re not understanding me. Im not saying your wrong for wanting them. Im not opposed to you having them. I said that from my very first post in this thread and another 5 times before you engaged me and if you wanna take a peak at my post history you’ll find another 50-100 posts that say the same thing if not openly support fresh servers.
Its just my personal opinion that its not time to restart the Vanilla to MoP train because we still got one up and running and it makes little sense to start another one. But hey, that’s me, others are totally free to feel differently. Why you find it offensive enough to argue over irrelevant personal opinions isn’t really my problem but yours.
For the 12th time, I don’t care for the fresh is gonna save era/make era great again so it must happen carnival barking to go with the fairy tales of level playing fields, not bots or RMT etc etc etc. When you talk to people and drill down to the heart of the matter you find out its all very personal in nature and has nothing to do with bettering the experience for the community.
Its not needed. Its wanted. Big difference. Its a request, that’s it. This is why I have a problem with your stance. Its not an honest one. You have a preference and you want to present your personal preferences as something Blizz must address or else. Im calling BS. Era would chug along just fine without them, its not my fault you gotta make up disaster scenarios if you dont get your way because you think youre owed something for bringing classic to the masses, which you didnt.
Look what Im forced to work with. People can’t take what is being presented at face value and argue with what is being given to them as proper in good faith discourse dictates and wanna go all ad hom on me instead while ignoring what Im saying to fabricate something else in its place.
So yeah, I have to go the extra mile and make sure any lurkers or posters who happen upon this thread come to the correct understanding about what’s transpiring here.
lol, you are part of it and are coming off as quite the catch yourself!
I enjoy the progression, rat race, and competition that comes with fresh realms. Whats wrong with that logic?
I may be among them and at their mercy but I am not one of them.
That’s not logic, that’s a preference and there’s nothing wrong with it al all. Im not saying your wrong for liking fresh servers and the experience they could potentially provide.
Let me put it this way - we’re having a pve vs pvp “argument” here. You prefer pve and think its better than pvp. I like pvp and think its better than pve - but thats all subjective.
Liking pve over pvp (or vice versa) is a preference - a matter of opinion. You prefer fresh servers for reasons, I prefer not to have fresh servers for reasons. All opinions are equal and the reasons don’t matter. Logic has nothing to do with it.
We could argue opinions all day for as pointless as it is but that’s not what the discussion was about - for me and the OP at least. Im assuming some posters are aware they can’t make a real case based on preference (I may be giving out too much credit here) alone which is why they hitch their wagon to speculative utopian ideals, blizzards finances (which they have no clue about), pservers, the health of the game and how its gonna die if they don’t get their way - which is kind of a joke since the servers are forever and the game died once already and made a decent enough comeback.
Of course all of this is said to give fresh servers an element of necessity that doesn’t exist. Its a request, nothing more. So here’s what a request looks like:
Hey Blizz, I really like fresh servers for the renewed sense of progression they provide and would like you to release some.
A request doesn’t come with any kind of guarantee so I can understand the sense of urgency in trying to make it sound far more important than it is but if Im not falling for it, neither is Blizz. I think you’ll get further with honest, sincere requests than you would with fighting people with opposing viewpoints on the forums, making a bunch of baseless claims and acting like you know whats best for Blizz and the community.
All that being said, it should be a moot point for yall since fresh servers are supposedly on their way. I don’t see any real evidence for that but that doesn’t mean they’re not coming. If they do, Im not gonna cry about it and hate on anyone because of it.
Its the anniversary, I wouldn’t be surprised if they popped up. I also wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t. We’re gonna see them one day if not at the end of the month and with that, I wish you lots of luck.
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People that are threatened by it are threatened by the fact that what they enjoy will become a ghost town. This is the root of why anyone wishes other games to fail (if not for political reasons) or modes they don’t like.
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