Fresh classic/tbc Why so much hate

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@ title of “Why so much hate” for the Classic/TBC…

Because they didnt really do that good of a job of keeping things “Classic”, that’s why.

And the rest below is not @ title really.

Way too many changes and they kept making changes even after they kept saying they were done making changes to it and then they went on and changed everything even further.

Irony of the whole thing is that they only made the Classic servers to stop the spread of the private servers, but then they went ahead and changed everything in Classic which only caused a lot of the Classic players to quit and now have all gone back to the private servers. Some of those are now more active than the ones that Blizzard is running and gaining players while Blizzard’s version is less active and losing players.

Ironic isn’t it? The only reason Blizzard made Classic was to give people the players the WoW world the way it was before things changed, then they went ahead and changed everything in Classic to make it mirror the modern version of the game and now wonder why so many people are leaving.

Old guild UIs, no wow tokens, arena teams, battlegroups, no account bound anything, no micro transactions. Thats what all those servers have that Blizzard’s versions now no longer do. Classic no longer exists. Current dev team destroyed it.

So no. I do not want another fresh because that version will get ruined too. I still have fun, but not as much fun as I would be having if it were exact.

no changes…and they made many.

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Well I don’t and fresh servers being unnecessary is not my opinion.

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I mean doesn’t that mean the time is now todo relaunch?

And I’m on the same line of thinking with when servers should be refreshed.

I think they should do the classic trio again, even though I’m not the biggest fan of wrath

I wish I could play pservers but I’m from aus and this ping is just too much for me

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I can only tell you how I would do it if I were Blizz. Assuming the other “classic” goes to MoP and no further, I would launch fresh Era servers a couple of months after the last MoP phase patch. I can’t explain why without writing a small book but that feels like the right time for me.

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Make yearly fresh servers a thing!

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people hate because they love sucking off retail and as long as they have their era where they run gdkps they dont care

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their player engagement says otherwise

want more players? launch a fresh. thats something you dont wanna accept

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We’re due for some fresh servers.

Bump

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What player engagement?

How does player engagement, if any, make fresh servers necessary?

Once upon a time you opened more servers because you couldn’t fit everyone onto the rest (aka necessary) and not because a segment of the population can’t handle rolling a new toon on a server because people they don’t know raid Naxx and have gear and gold they played for. Also because they get sad when SM GY groups take more than ten minutes to put together thanks to all those pesky 60s.

Not really, no.

I want enough players. That hasn’t been a problem in a good long while.

You mean launch a new pve and pve server for every region and time zone which will largely draw from existing populations and attract some others, gold farmers included -before shedding half their populations sometime between BWL and AQ40 after all the level playing field aficionados figure out the no lifers and gold buyers have different plans entirely. Then it just keeps trending downward from there when the people who play Barrens Simulator can’t get their quick and easy WC groups anymore.

Then, since they love fresh Era so much, they’ll all want to go to TBC again too which produces excellent outcomes for Era populations. So much for those more players. At some point after they get bored of reliving the death and humiliation of this franchise (for the third time), they’ll want fresh vanilla again and tell me how amazing it is to leave behind a trail of dead and subsequent forcedly merged servers even though you can do the same exact content on any of them.

I accept that people want fresh servers. I just don’t accept their reasons and rationalizations and that should be good enough for them.

I sincerely hope they drop 8 fresh US servers a week before Thanksgiving, I really don’t care. I think my cluster could benefit from shedding several hundred players, especially those types. Im not trying to prevent new servers from happening. I just know if they happen haphazardly for the reasons players provide Im still a consumer to a company and a member of playerbase that has no clue as to what they’re doing.

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Businesses don’t just factor in money, product engagement is a large metric taken into consideration

Blizzard is not dumb they know a lot of people will not play classic anymore period if no fresh server is available, and that is why it is comin and there’s nothing you can do ab it

Regardless of your opinion on this matter, blizzard is not looking at it the way you do. They don’t care what you think, they’re gonna do what they know will bring subs and engagement

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You sure have a lot to say about it for someone who doesn’t care

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Don’t just say stuff, tell me how the money you know that Blizzard doesn’t care about and the current level of engagement (10k US players) that makes fresh servers a mandate for Blizzard.

And you know Blizzard cares about this how? Besides, there’s no real evidence for this. No one can say what the population is going to look like at any point in the future. Its just fearmongering. Youre basically threatening everyone is gonna quit if they dont release fresh servers. The oldest and lamest trick in the book.

Blizz isn’t dumb but they make plenty of stupid mistakes and that’s just a matter of history.

Furthermore, Blizz is on record as saying they will keep Era servers open indefinitely even if there are, and I quote, “only tens of players on them”. Throw in the fact that all WoW versions are available through one subscription, it comes with the heavy implication that Era populations are not something they are worried about at all.

If what you said was true we would have gotten fresh Era servers after TBCC dropped and there was like 600 US Era players total in the weeks afterward.

Talk to me when they get here. New servers aren’t a problem for me, they’re just not necessary for the reasons say there are. Case closed. They could launch tomorrow morning for all I care. What Im driving at here is yall are shallow as hell and you do a bang up job of proving it with every post. I don’t need to lift a finger - OP was crying about pvp on a pvp realm so he needs a fresh server. I hope he gets it.

Yeah and so far that’s been Cataclysm Classic and Season of Discovery which even is dreadful as they have been performing as of late still dwarf Era’s pop by an obscene margin.

I guess I must have missed the official announcement of fresh US/EU Classic Era servers, wanna post the link?

That’s a really old and tired cliché you’re parroting. No points for effort or originality. :frowning:

Since you missed it:

I don’t care about fresh servers coming to fruition, I care about the people who intentionally mislead because they got a personal agenda to fulfill. And I wouldn’t call it as caring so much as it being unable to pass on the opportunity to point that out.

But whatever helps you sleep better.

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Yeah that’s rly easy bro

10k players on era

Blizzard relaunches fresh trilogy - 300k players

Sounds like a no brainer does it not? Do you think they’re gonna just not do that so the 10k eras are happy or something?

Their quarterly investors engagement and profits report are, quite literally, direct proof of that.

It’s very easy to read between the lines and see that you are in fact extremely mad that fresh servers are on the table

Ur gonna look really stupid when they drop it at Warcraft direct. Literally anyone in the sphere of classic who knows all the right people that have been leaking this including a literal direct source. Nobody is going to say names for obvious reasons.

Just look at the client update. Blizzard just recently separated era HC and seasonal into 3 clients. You’d be delusional to think they did that just for era due to sod that is almost over anyways.

My god I didn’t realize you spent an hour typing out an entire encyclopedia , I ain’t readin the rest of that

All in all you seem to be extremely out of the loop and in your own world regardless. You didn’t even seem to know about their quarterly investor reports and their profits and engagement are literally what investors care about the most because it is a metric of foresight for future investment. This is not something exclusive to blizzard, this is literally bread and butter basics for investors because ya know they don’t invest in things with little engagement

You might as well save yourself the next 30 minute post I ain’t reading it bro. You’re too mad to have a conversation

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Yeah 300k for launch, 295k coming from existing subs so Blizz nets an extra 5k subs and two staff members get $100 gift cards to starbucks for netting them a whopping extra 75K for the next 30 days.

Lets not forget 175k by P4, 100k by P6 while people either return to one of the other 5 versions or quit which sounds like a whole bunch of effort for what amounts to pennies to a billion dollar company. The 225k to 250k jump for TBC might pay the janitor staff salary that month. This really beefs up those quarterly reports.

No brainer? Yeah, I guess you could say that.

Does that include $90 mounts and a new expansion or are you suggesting Classic carrying the franchise right now on the reports?

Nah thats the false accusation/misdirection you have to make so it becomes about me and not topic at hand you’re publicly failing miserably with.

So Im guessing thats a no on the factual evidence front.

The longest “trust me bro” Ive ever seen.

Ive heard all the rumors, read all the pertinent information and speculation. I don’t think they’re off the table but I fall short of guaranteeing them because they have not been guaranteed. Its just that simple. I wont believe it until I see the servers come online or there is a prior official announcement. Sue me.

I don’t have to validate your beliefs, just go daydream about sharing quest mobs and resources with your 30k besties on a layered 90% one faction server for a few phases.

Sorry, typing in between bgs. You havent really read anything else I wrote and your responses are terrible anyway so Im not going to get offended if thats cool.

Because Im not drinking the koolaid after a streamer pushes his HC date back and wont say why and overall I think fresh servers are a bad joke? Nah, I think its because I don’t live in your fantasy world.

I know about them but you’re just throwing them out there without any context. What’s the correlation with vanilla? Where and how does it tie in specifically? I don’t think they care about Era populations or growing Era populations for the sake of growing Era populations, which has been implied.

Not a deterrent for me. Maybe others will read it and see who the unhinged one is here.

If you told me that they were going to drop some Fresh Era servers merely for the sake of the anniversary I would have agreed with you. As good a reason as any if there actually was one. I’m not doing the whole “lets hope all these dots connect since we have nothing else to go on” thing while we pull numbers and logic out of a cracker jack box.

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295k subs don’t exist in classic wow atm. With cata and sod combined with era via logs only it’s not even 200k. And raid logs count alts too. Meaning if there is a combined 180k logs you can safely cut that in half assuming at least 1 alt per player when most have more than that. 90k players lol. So basically you made that up

More making up of the numbers and etc because you’re mad fresh is about to absolutely ravage your server.

If it’s a trilogy relaunch the population will stay more steady esp if this is their avenue to making tbc wrath era servers, which makes sense

I already saved the post and you best believe I will be @ing you after Warcraft direct

Ima go ahead and mute you for 3 days tho, I’ll be sure to @ you and remind you I was right

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You literally did the same thing - twice now. You can’t “safely” assume 180k logs is automatically 90k players so your 300k number looks less ridiculous. You also forgot about any potential retail folks who can also access it. There’s also a slew of people who don’t raid or don’t log them when they do (era). People from everywhere will be drawn to the new shiny and you can bet it will be mostly folk who already have paid access.

I didn’t take your number literally, I got what you were saying and just worked off your guesswork to show that its wasn’t going to be ALL new extra people as you were stupidly trying to imply. It don’t have to be prophetically accurate to prove my point.

If you cant admit to the blatant falsehood at least lie to me and say you forgot to mention what % would be new or something. I wouldnt believe you but you might have saved some face with others.

Oh so the population doesn’t go down over time as has been clearly observed every single time Blizz launches something WoW in the last decade plus? Classic brought back roughly 3 million people supposedly. More than 1 million of them were gone before Classic “ended” and it was almost half when it did. TBC/TBC Fresh/Wrath/SoM/SoD, same thing.

Before making lame inferences you should know I didn’t go to TBC. I mained Era the whole time and went almost a year playing with less than 20 people - and I thought it was better than playing with 10,000 and have said so, check my post history. Ive already said I wouldnt mind losing a couple hundred players on my cluster, having my server “ravaged” is no threat to me - My cluster and I get a fresh start too. win/win imo.

You okay? Do I owe you some rent money now for the space Im occupying? I feel kinda bad seeing as my occupation has cost you the ability to think straight.

You cant seem to grasp Im not arguing they’re not being released, Im just not as entirely bought in and convinced like everyone else. Its all there in my posts. Its not my fault you wanna be offended by it. Ive said from the start my main concern was all the player bs surrounding them having to be released in the first place.

I wasn’t kidding.

Peeps cant handle pvp on a pvp server or are afraid of dying in bgs or work their way up in a raid guild so they need a fresh server so they dont get beat up as much and have an easier time gearing and its just a happy coincidence that this makes 210k new players and 90k old players delirious with joy, levels the playing field from level 1 through T3, massively grows the Era population forever, the megaserver makes Era better, makes Blizzards 10s if not 100s of millions of dollars they just forgot to cash in on, there wont be any bots, boosts or RMT, no one would think of afking in a bg.

Oh yea, we won’t mention the fact that we’ll need another server to kill in the not too distant future.

Same convo for over four years now. I havent seen a single fresh server or a single good reason for one. Lots of personal anecdotes though. I hope for your sake that gets it done this time. I envy your ability to get stoked over battle.net beta news.

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I don’t understand HC fresh as it is inherently fresh each new character. I get the appeal to Era Fresh though for those who want to start the journey again, or for those who missed the 2019 launch.

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Good thing you dont make decisions and no one asked you. If you think a fresh server is a bad thing idk what to tell you.

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Goes without saying and cuts both ways but its your time to waste so have at it.

Yeah just the OP of this thread. Good to see your on top of your game.

I didnt say a fresh server was bad, I said players excuses for them were. I forgive you though, reading comprehension isn’t something I expect out most forum posters.

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This dude is just mad bc his server gonna be wiped out when it launches. But of course he doesn’t have anything to worry about bc “fresh bad” and a waste of time as if doing something you enjoy for fun is a waste of time xd

Era is just for playing dress up and collecting gear for no real reason other than doing it. Fresh is for the gamers who like the pump and the rush. My man believe era is some sort of sacred haven if that were the case why is there basically nobody playing classic wow? You point out the abysmal sub numbers of then and now and he says “that’s good. These games are dead af and blizzard thinks that’s ok” yeah then why are they about to drop the big fresh if everything is ok?

Clearly deep down he hates fresh. He can act like he doesn’t all he wants, but it’s hate. Indifference is the real killer, but he isn’t indifferent cause he’s writing these gigantic novels about why fresh is bad lololo