I don’t know, I’m not Blizzard. No one should be buying or selling gold in Era, period. That was part of the deal with Era, no cash shop gold.
It’s a thing that happens because people are okay with with not being a winner by pretending to be one and Blizz isn’t giving them the option. Also, Blizz doesn’t police its servers or enforce the rules in real time with real penalties so that door is always wide open.
It doesn’t not happen. Not everyone does it precisely the same way is what Im guessing. In my experience, the host takes a small deposit from the people buying spots while confirming through the trade window that you got gold to spend. This is refunded to you at the end of the raid with whatever else.
There wouldn’t be anything stopping be from jumping ship in a GDKP that’s wiping but I guess others are really depending on that gold. Otherwise, they really got nothing to lose.
I did refer to that as it being a function of GDKP so thanks for confirming. Whatever’s clever. Even if no money is put up beforehand it doesn’t change what I said.
I think you’re underestimating pugs in a 20 year old game with its level of complexity but I mean, yeah. Its an actual pick up group and would obviously have disadvantages when compared to raid guilds.
Pugs would be kind of boring if it was a stress free automatic kill every single time but that’s me. I do SR pugs for fun, not glory - and hope I get lucky.
[But being real yea that’s a little sad lol. With Ony pugs I invoke 3 strikes (wipes) and Im out.]
I’ve never been to a GDKP that requires a deposit, and I would leave immediately if it did.
It’s a 20 year old game, I’m not interested in progging content that NOT ONLY has been available for study/practice for 20 years, but has also been actively farmed for the last few months, with a group of pugs. I’m not here to babysit people, I’m here to kill the same dragon I’ve killed for the last 2 months for a javelin.
I’m certainly not interested in doing it, so that the guy doing 400 dps afk auto attacking/wanding can win with pure luck. Atleast with GDKP I can control my destiny by farming/saving my winnings.
Oof, instantly had to stop reading when you said people have to put up gold beforehand. That’s comical. You never did a gdkp before and your post(s) show that. What server you on? Let’s get you in a gdkp and show you how it really works. Maybe do a discord stream then after come back here and separate the fact from the fiction.
Not sure what Corpse meant, but if you are joining a high-end DKP (so like… not ZG or MC) as a ‘buyer’, You often times do need to prove you have a lot of gold and the raid leader will take your cut if you don’t bid on items that dropped. (The privilege of saving up DKP is for RMT sellers, not RMT buyers).
I got it. You really like GDKP. Im not telling you to feel otherwise.
Im saying get used to future releases of fresh or seasons to come with a GDKP ban at launch, that’s all. People abused GDKPs in SoD and it got taken away for that reason. Blizz isn’t just going to forget that going forward.
It’s a preparedness thing for me because yall will be crying foul when if and when it happens.
The comical part is assuming something doesn’t exist or happen because you never experienced it.
Mankrik (on my alliance 60) and you’re right, I never did a GDKP. After a gear check (wtf lol) I was asked to show how much gold I had on me (which I did) and a 500g deposit for an AQ40 GDKP (which I was promised would be applied to any items I bid on or refunded to me at the end if I didn’t win anything) and was told I still had to carry my own weight and perform like it was any other raid I said no thank you. It was that last part that got me and made me realize its all pretty scammy so I begged out.
The host did kindly explain to me the deposit was to root out people who are just looking for a payout for minimal effort which I can understand from their perspective but since GDKPs do not do anything any more remarkable than any other loot system Id rather not.
I gave it a shot because there aren’t any pugs for AQ40 and guilds who have a couple of open spots aren’t letting you roll on drops their members are trying to get.
I already know how raids work, thanks though. GDKP is a loot system like every other loot system, not much more to be gleaned from it by participating.
News flash: Every raid/puzzle in retail has been solved by top guilds (which you are probably not in, I know I am not) and strategy posted on the net and in video long before the raid launches. The days of information being hidden until discovered by a raid team are long gone even in retail.
It was pretty awesome in Wrath. They had a big signup website on discord for the next weeks raids, you put in your class/spec (could cross post to multiple time slots and they would work it out to get you in one). You then showed up, did your best, and either got a nice cut of the cash pot or you bid on an item you might not ever see in a guild raid where you were not dating an officer.
This isn’t really true. I find (and see) normal groups all the time. You just have to keep an eye on it for a few minutes.
But you’re correct that LFG is indeed very spammy, and maybe it’s time for a QoL fix to the LFG channel.
NOT dungeon finder though… just a better interface for LFG or the ability to filter out keywords like “boost”, “GDKP”, and websites would go a long way.
Or better yet, the ability to isolate and filter IN keywords like “Mara”, if that’s what you’re looking for.
I didn’t have a guild in the og wotlk just due to being stationed overseas and time differences with the people i used to play with. I took this upon myself and started creating pug groups every Tuesday out of trade chat and made a lot of good friends doing so. We did the full meta achievement every week and had a blast. There was no bidding on items, there was no hostility, there was just us rolling on items and moving on. The problem with gdkp is you are setting forth this notion that only the rich get to buy the items. The rest of the people in the raid that would like a chance but don’t spend their time farming gold have almost no chance of obtaining loot. With the same team every week sure this can eventually fix itself but when it’s randos every week you are encouraging those players, good or bad, to stay out of raiding unless you got some gold to bring. It sets a bad example and promotes division amongst raiders hence why so many people are fully against gdkp. A good majority of players advocating for it are the ones that sit on piles of gold and can afford to screw anyone else that joins. It a guaranteed loot system for the wealthy which is why I say it’s the scummiest system the community has come up with in wow.
Wrath raids are much easier to make groups for since you can do 10s or 25s. A 40m is a much harder raid to organize. The key though is have a solid core which you can build around that makes up a good portion of the raid. It sounds like you and your friends have that. Essentially though you’re a guild filling in a few empty spots, which is the way to do it if you want to run something like SR. Your group also continues to have incentive to go also because you are helping your friends. Since the majority of your players are the same each week you also much less likely to keep losing the same items over and over to new people.
This changes with 40 man raids, while SR can be an effective system for a group like yours or guild runs, for a more traditional pug, it’s an awful system. Since most pug raids are often full of random people, you tend to get people who fall on the weaker scale, since they wont usually put in effort. However the biggest problem is there is no capable core, also competent and geared players are completely disincentivized from joining because they end up with huge repair bills, often in a raid that fails to complete, and often get nothing from the raid since they at most want a few highly desired items, which they have to roll against everyone in the raid even if they were essentially afk a the keyboard during the fights.
The interesting thing is for new players, with very little gold often that which is easily;made while leveling will gear far faster in a GDKP because they can often buy several items for just the payout, or for low amounts because most items in GDKPs will be DE’d especially if they target appropriate raids like MC, ZG, AQ20.
That said the best way raid is with a guild or group of friends like yours and do the content your capable of, also don’t get jealous of people running around in Naxx gear.
I loved GDKP because I mained a paladin healer but wanted prot gear to play around with soloing TBC content (kara mostly). GDKP was the perfect way to get that gear, otherwise I am having to roll offspec greed in raids and will never see a piece of tank gear.
