Ally side MG always intimidates me when I go there, because its so many people talking over each other. Sometimes WrA is so lonely and quiet though.
Can confirm. I came back after years of not playing and the WRA horde population is huge. I hardly ever see another alliance player. Really makes me miss being a blood elfâŠ
You are still a blood elf to me!!
Which you would then take wildly out of context or assume the worst from.
People would point this out, youâd say ânoâ, repeat.
That was pretty much the entirety of this thread and the other thread.
And, guess what, you ended up being wrong with the largely assumptive argument you had come up with.
Like I said, it was easy to see it either wayâŠ
Incredibly easy to just not come up with wild conclusions surrounding vague dialog.
Hence why I didnât see any need to continuously repeat this pattern of assumptive arguing:
OK, well, if itâs easy to assume either way, I choose to talk about the problematic option and discuss why itâs problematic in hopes that with enough momentum, we can avoid that. This is especially true when you consider the colossal mistakes of the narrative team in recent years.
All of this neglects to address the fact that Amirdrassil on the Dragon Isles, regardless of the status of Kalimdor, is silly when it should have been in Kalimdor to begin with. Then thereâd be no need for âwild, over-reactiveâ speculation
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Exploring Kalimdor
Night Elf Heritage.
I literally posted pages directly from Exploring Kalimdor to rebut.
Then you posted them incomplete, or without context.
The Night Elves have dominated all of Ashenvale save for the lumbercamp and Splintertree.
They are presently (as of Exploring Kalimdor) invading Azshara and the Barrens entirely on their own without needing the help of the Alliance.
And you did. You didnât post anything about Ashenvale, or Darkshore, or Azshara.
You posted Stonetalon, Feralas, and some lake.
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WrA Alliance, thoughâŠ
Let me tell you.
I stuck with WRA Alliance despite its death.
Itâs been hard.
But Iâm playing my Horde DK now and I forgot what it was like to have people besides irl friends/family to play with.
The books also stated that Darkshore was destroyed and parts of Ashenvale were under control of the Horde.
Because thatâs how they are in game. I wouldnât really use Exploring Kalimdor as a source since it just copied and pasted what the in game lore was and was like âyeah itâs totally like that a year or two after the Fourth War.â
Not really. I think a lot of the Night Elf communities on Moon Guard are thinking of using it as a rp hub once 10.2.5 hits. And the reasoning has been because Stormwind sucks. Thereâs even been a guild that sprouted for Amirdrassil as well.
Even though thereâs other areas and rp hubs for the kaldorei have been in existence. Still people believed that the Night Elves made their home in Stormwind even though the npcs were trapped chronologically after the Burning of Teldrassil.
I wouldnât be surprised if other guilds started to follow suit and do the same thing. But itâs kind of maddening that now they decided that the Dragon Isles is the place to rp as opposed toâŠAshamaneâs Temple in Valâsharah or Feralas or literally anywhere elseâŠ
But the expectation for kaldorei rpers seems to be that they will all move to Amirdrassil. There will be outliers, but the expectation is that yes they are moving to Amirdrassil.
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Because thatâs how they are in game. I wouldnât really use Exploring Kalimdor as a source since it just copied and pasted what the in game lore was and was like âyeah itâs totally like that a year or two after the Fourth War.â
It maintained the old world, but it gave in character explanations that clearly state that it is currently true.
Dude argued Nelves were leaving Kalimdor and fabricated evidence because there is none that supports his argument.
I know of a few scarlet and worgen guilds and players are also moving to gilneas to RP for much the same reasons that kaldorei rpers have, that being stormwind sucks.
If gilneas gets the same love as amdrisaal did, Iâm moving over to gilneas also for personal reasons, the main one being I dislike stormwind myself
Stormwind is basically a low poly disney world attraction⊠not a lot to love.
I am excited to see Amirdrassil function as a Kaldorei hub. I am hoping they open a canonical portal between it and the blackwald and we get gilnean visitors and vice versa. The two peoples should continue to share close ties despite how unlikely a duo they make.
That would be amazing actually and Iâd love the idea of both groups maintaining close ties with one another
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OK, well, if itâs easy to assume either way,
And incredibly easy to assume that there wasnât going to be a mass migration.
Hence why barely anyone found your arguments to have any merit.
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All of this neglects to address the fact that Amirdrassil on the Dragon Isles, regardless of the status of Kalimdor, is silly when it should have been in Kalimdor to begin with.
Dragon Isles or Kalimdor, really doesnât matter at all.
Like most have been saying.
Amirdrassils location doesnât matter, who cares. And if thereâs no migration, then it doesnât really change anything about Nelves besides giving them a new âcityâ to live in canonically.
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I havenât done that dungeon. Seems kinda random that a dungeon boss not necessary for the main campaign just gets away and doesnât show up again the rest of the expansion, doesnât it?
Itâs clear that Blizzard wanted to save her for the future. Now theyâve created a story hook for a Defense of Amirdrassil quest chain for the Dragonflight epilogue, it allows them to bring her back. The question I have is if this was always the plan, did they have an original plan that they shelved, or is this story hook going to be followed upon?
After all Blizzard havenât always followed through on story hooks, case in point nothing being done about Neptulon being kidnapped by Ozumat until Legion revealed that he had freed himself off screen.
Dragonflight itself does feel full of plot hooks that didnât get used, like how the Oathstones and Tyr ultimately werenât used to get the Aspects their powers back.
I like Mon-Ark, though (just did Mon-Arkâs quest chain yesterday and the commentary Mon-Ark gave during the quests was hilarious), so maybe I can hope that Wratheye will show up and be defeated by nice(r) Gnolls who could be added to the Night Elvesâ collection of fuzzy friends, like the Furbolg.
Agreed.
Feels like blizzard was cave delving in the dark, and grabbing for any hand purchase they could possibly take hold of.
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Dragonflight itself does feel full of plot hooks that didnât get used, like how the Oathstones and Tyr ultimately werenât used to get the Aspects their powers back.
Based on Raszagethâs taunt to Alexstrasza when failing to activate the mother oathstone, I was expecting part of the Tyr/Titan questchain was going to be the dragons discovering that they had diverged so much from the Titansâ original plans that the Oathstones no longer recognized them, and they could have some drama over that: discussing the Titansâ plans for them vs. their own self-view, perhaps wondering if their old friend Tyr would recognize them if they succeeded at awakening him now, etc.
I was looking forward to that, but it feels like that plot point was dropped or forgotten.
A big one was how Tyr had the dragons swear oaths upon Oathstones⊠and then made a tool called âOathbinderâ that could mind control draconic beings.
Amusingly Tyr does acknowledge that the Dragonflights are walking their own path now, but the context ending up being Tyr not recognizing his own place on Azeroth rather than that of the Dragons.