Continues to ignore though that Calia doesn’t just go around blasting Forsaken with Light magic. Just like Fire Mages don’t go around fireballing random townsfolk.
You have this idea in you’re head that Calia is, like, radioactive with Light magic or something, and that’s simply not the case.
How about we don’t, because that’s an asinine comparison.
Um… I would rather discuss the lore and the thread topic, than sit around imagining that…
When people need to stretch the imagination about their WoW argument with unrelated hypothetical situations concerning such deep trauma, you know they became untethered.
How about we imagine the lore being discussed.
Calia may be different, but she is not exactly toxic with Light… at this point. Forsaken can be near her. She undoubtedly can wield the Light, as a priest of the conclave and a padawan of Faol. But it isnt some uncontrollable tempest that makes her radioactive.
Voss and Derek have been chilling in close proximity to her, and I haven’t seen them sizzle as they burn and hiss in pain.
The point is that the forsaken are in many ways a group recovering from and dealing with trauma. Calia’s experience is very much unrelated, and in some ways, her trauma is represented by the people she would lead. Her state of being is partially representative of the trauma experienced by the Forsaken, who had to find a new religion because they could no longer follow the light which brought them actual agony.
So every therapist who treats trauma has to have person experience with that particular trauma?
Like, kidnapping victims should only receive counseling from other former kidnap victims?
I would say that a therapist who was traumatized by zombies, shouldnt deal with zombies. And a zombie that was traumatized by the holy light, and a nearby church of racists, probably shouldnt go to group at the church.
This is a legitimate problem with Calia. Can you stop ignoring it, maybe? This story is not sunshine and rainbows. The people who have a problem with Calia are not ignoring all the great Calia lore.
Im not arguing she’s toxic with light, but there are certain Calia supporters who are taking exceptions and making them the rule. The holy light is not and has not always been a part of Forsaken religious culture.
No, because your making an issue out of things that the game shows you…aren’t. First Calia being harmful/frightning to the Forsaken. Now Calia being “traumatized by zombies”.
She barely even cares that she died! If anything, she’s glad to be undead because she thinks it means she can better help her people.
Stop making up problems that don’t exist, and projecting your own issues on characters that don’t share them.
Yes, the game is ignoring an issue, that has always been an issue, that you pretend is some cornerstone of Forsaken society.
Yeah… because now we are going to ignore that she hid in a ditch from patrolling ghouls.
If we cant acknowledge how stupid this is, we are truly lost.
Ah, I thought you were referring to how she died.
Still, you realize not everyone is traumatized by every negative experience they have, right? Like, she followed up that experience by trying to reunite a bunch of zombies with their families. So clearly has no irrational fear of them.
Oh yeah…SO stupid.
“Gee, I seem to be immortal now with none of the usual downsides of being undead. Isn’t that just SO sad and traumatic.”
Yeah… how can you not see how this makes her completely disconnected from “her people”?
I just don’t see how that disconnect should disqualify her from helping them, or them wanting her help.
Her nature doesn’t matter if she gets results. And she’s shown with Derek that she can.
Especially when the Forsaken’s previous leader was thousands of years old, from another kingdom, and race! And you’re complaining about disconnects!
It doesnt. It makes her a tone deaf faction leader. Im not calling her a pointless character. I am challenging your position that she makes perfect sense to lead the Forsaken. So far I have seen nothing to suggest this is the case yet.
I dunno about perfect, but like I said, she makes more sense than their previous leader did.
You could argue that she is better fit to lead (though I would not agree). You cant make the argument that she makes better narrative sense, as it was Sylvanas’ narrative in the first place. Part of what makes Calia bad for the forsaken leader, is that she is being bolted onto a race that mostly made sense as Sylvanites.
I suppose if you ignore the fact that they spent their whole lives as Lordaeronians and only a few years as Forsaken, sure.
It discounts the idea of “What would these people actually WANT, now that Sylvanas isn’t around to manipulate them?”
Undeath was revealed to have the effect of causing them to reject their past lives though.
Not completely. Many forsaken are torn, and it is best represented by Sylvanas, who regularly says she doesnt care about her past life, then acts in the most unhealthy way concerning her actual emotional turmoil about her past life.
“I dont care about my widow, but do me a favor and kill her and her lover. Cuz screw those guys”.
They overwhelmingly do not identify as Lordaeronian humans, and yet covetousely defend their right to hold the lands.
They are not good guys. They are a deeply troubled people with or without Sylvanas. Could Calia help them? I doubt it. Even so, I don’t want them to get help. I want them to get more blight launchers.
This doesnt matter because they arent people. We are. These characters exist to entertain people, and these ones in particular exist to entertain a certain segment of the audience. I dont want new coke. Maybe as a publicity stunt to sell coke classic. But really, just leave the recipe alone.
Well I didn’t want to be a Light elf. But they made me. So now you have to suffer like I did!
I thought she followed that up by recovering her mental state in the Priest temple?
Somewhere before then she was hanging out with her own family which got split up, and then decided she cared about reuniting the families again (and hoping her own was in there) to join the Alliance.
Even on paper this is an awful backstory.
But they’re going to shoehorn the Menethil name in there - so Queen Calia Menethil of the Lordaeronian Semi-Living here we come.
The one thing that most people have in common when talking about Calia whether they support her or want to see her burned to ashes is that they very quickly get off the lore reservation when talking about her status, present or future.
The problem is that she really doesn’t have any real history after the death of Terenas until she suddenly shows up in Legion.