Forsaken development

Pretty much all Horde characters are varying degrees of evil after BfA, even if they got cold feet. There’s no solution to it. As soon as Belmont dies, people will probably start demanding Rexxar dies for his crimes in Stormsong.

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There are no war crimes in wow.

I’m sure Anduin will see the goodness in Belmont and let him free. It’ll be fine. Trust in your High King.

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Rexxar turned on Sylvanas and played the “I’m friends with Jaina now” get out of jail free card.

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My personal favorite is Eitrigg who did nothing until there was literally an army on his doorstep for him to switch sides to.

Edit: Another bizarre one was Voss’s sudden concern for free will after she murdered Amalia Stone and forced her into a deranged dysphoric state so she could easily be taken advantage of and coerced to turn on her countrymen.

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then why did we have a book where we had a war crimes trial

Yeah sure thing, just keep your plot armor I know its the only thing forsaken players actually want instead of a decent story for everyone.

Rexxar didnt do any war crimes in stormsong, cause he came after when all the crimes where basically done

What plot armor? The Forsaken have nothing left.

Their literal most developed characters left are Voss, Velanora, Belmont, Feranell, and Tattersail. Do you understand how absolutely humbling that sort of roster truly is? Their two most developed leads used and abandoned them like trash. They also have no capital city; no lands to call their own; and the only way they can conceivably reclaim them in their current condition is to have their Racial Fantasy completely shattered by a woman who runs so much off of divine right to rule … we’re supposed to just ignore the fact that she abandoned them for 15 years.

You want “Plot Armor”? Look at the Alliance roster … or hell, just the NE roster. No matter what else happened to them recently, they still retain one of the best developed character rosters out of any PC race. Blizz actually went out of their way to kill off a discount Maiev and create and kill a discount Feathermoon to kill off in BfA … because they wouldn’t dare actually kill off the real things.

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The alliance doesnt do anything to the horde, you know why the horde characters are all dead, cause the horde refuses to change, you horde players whine and whine every single time theres a faction xpac cause you are the bad guys and then when its over, you whine and whine about how blizzard better not change the horde for the better. So what do you expect? How can the alliance ever be the villains when the horde clings on to things like the blight that make them the villains in the first place. The forsaken dont need sylvanas or the blight to be interesting, they dont need to be warmongers to be interesting, but thats why you people tell blizzard that is needed, then cry when they leave it as is next time theres a faction war.

So I ask you this, how can the alliance not be justified in the next war after everything the horde has done, if the horde doesnt change at all.

I’m genuinely asking here and not being sarcastic. What’s so bad about blight?

Blizzard said it was bad and all the races, even horde ones hate it

Poor innocent Belmont. How dare the Night Elves use their homes to their advantage while Belmont is invading their home and wanting to desecrate the corpses of the people the Horde killed. He was just following orders and trying to make the most of a bad situation, right? Surely it makes perfect sense of the Horde to keep him in his position with Sylvanas gone and the Horde trying to get an armistice agreed to.

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You’re opinions on what make the Horde “better” seem extremely subjective. Also, no … they don’t need Sylvanas to be interesting. I am very on board Voss, Tattersail, and Velanora all getting development as Forsaken leaders; and hope they do. I’m glad the Forsaken are away from their long time abuser in Sylvie. I might even be interested in seeing if Belmont and Faranell could get some development to make them less contentious.

Also, they don’t need the Blight to be interesting; but to be their own people they do need the ability to defend themselves, and they are far from as blessed in “natural ability” as some other races are. The Blight serves well as a deterrent. And before you say that they don’t need such a thing, seems quite a few people were so distracted by the conclusion of BtS … that they forgot the beginning of BtS. Where it was explicitely stated that the majority of the human citizenry still hate and fear the Forsaken; with the majority of them still hating and fearing them because of the Scourge. Only a small, but growing, population hate them for what they’ve done as Forsaken. As awful as it is, humanity is likely still extremely dangerous for the majority of undead.

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Maybe Blizzard should have just killed all Horde leaders except Saurfang. Then the Horde could be led by a meme character council consisting of Saurfang, Zekhan, Gamon, Tinklady, and Johnny Awesome. :face_with_hand_over_mouth:

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I haven’t read the book, but my understanding is that they :

  1. attempted to set up a kangaroo court
  2. the subject of the trial escaped
  3. so no trial took place

So no precedent was established, the result being no war crimes in wow.

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Tell me, you really think that the blight could ever be used in a way that isnt gonna be seen as a war crime? Thats like saying white phosphorus is a ok. why do forsaken need blight to defend themselves in a game where numbers dont matter? Forsaken can easily defend themselves like everyone else and blizzard can write it off as they are resilient or know the lands of lorderan too well, and win wars without a war crime weapon.

I think the problem with applying those irl conceptions is that it’s mundane in WoW to casually slaughter people in horrible inhumane ways. It’s weirdly only ever an issue for the Horde though. For example, I did an Alliance quest involving roasting dozens of unarmed goblins alive with a giant fire elemental and it was portrayed as comical.

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The blight never is tho

They’re like nukes … serve really well as deterrents. You may not like what they do or what they’re used for, but you sure as hell will think twice before messing with them. The Blight is the one and only real weapon that the Forsaken have been portrayed as having that makes them a threat.

I want the Forsaken to change. I want to them to grow and evolve. I want them to become a stable people, with stable leadership who cares about them. I’d prefer they start taking advantage of freeing Scourge now that all undead are free from the Helm of Domination; and using Northrend to satisfy their body part maintenance needs. No need to kill and raise others that aren’t willing. I want Voss to become the well developed Forsaken leader I think she can actually become with some TLC. I want Velanora to take charge of this Horde and Forsaken loyal brand Dark Ranger faction; and see growth for her to support that. I even want Tattersail to take a more prominent role in the whole Horde Navy … not just the Forsaken’s.

However, I do want the Forsaken to retain some semblance of their Racial Fantasy they’ve enjoyed the last 15 years. They can have growth, and still do that. Its the reason I’m so ardently opposed to Calia, because she destroys everything that the Forsaken fanbase liked about the Forsaken; and renders them Alliance player friendly and convenient. Kudo’s … can’t wait till Azshara takes back her rightful place as the NE’s queen. She was born to it you know, if Calia should become leader of the Forsaken after abandoning them … surely Azshara should too.

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