I thought we would fight her at some point in DF given that we fought Kurog Grimtotem.
Yeah pretty much. lol
I totally forgot about him.
As well as his other children whom we have never seen depicted in game.
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Dudes got a cushy job in sunny Hillsbrad empowering undead elf women with his rod. Would you give that up for a government position where youāre going to have to argue with Calia Menethil about the ethics of spider prisons?
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I cant believe he slipped my mind, but it makes sense considering Blizzard forgot him too.
Samuro.
Mankrik has all but replaced him as the Hordes Blademaster Representationā¢ but the amount of lore that is just objectively missing from the redemptionist side of the Burning Blade is just catastrophic.
Before Lantressor, he was the Birning Blade rep. Full stop.
Would be nice to learn if hes a genuine character or a persona tied to the Burning Blade clan.
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What is so annoying about the way Green Dragons, Nature Spirits and Night Elves are all collectively written is that none of them should be this weird hippy thing, itās not what they were laid out as and it does not fit the fantasy, it just feels like stupid weed jokes given life lmao.
The way people on the forums divide things by race boxes instead of like thinking about the world and itās themes and how that can overlap can frustrate me here, because they always had that bond with the Night Elves. Itās just BOTH of them used to be cooler than the concepts of how both of them differently perceive nature as different beings is good writing that fit with the old ideas that druids see the commonality between living things but also the difference and shouldnāt sacrifice their own identity because that itself would be unnatural. Druidism has a real history to it in Warcraft that transcend mortals, dragons and spirits and has the perspectives of all 3, and itās frustrating to see any chance of actually delving into that wiped away because all they wanna do is crack jokes and make places like the Dream āhehe funny sleepy placeā and not the cool spiritual realm.
It isnāt their relationship with elves that is the problem. It is that both of the got their real identities bull-dozed over for this lame āJUST CHOOSE RENEWAL AND PEACE GUYS ITS THAT SIMPLEā crap lmao.
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Never ask a sentinel player their opinion on warcraft 3 elves.
Never ask a scarlet role player their opinion on the ashbringer comics.
Never ask a forsaken role player their opinions on āpumpkinā fields.
Never ask a deathnight role player about red dragons.
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Dreams wistfully of RPers in Darnassus all arguing in /y about if they should be savage guardians or hippiesā¦
Good times.
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One of the most wild incharacter conversations I ever witnessed in Darnassus was sentinels complaining that elven society was better before the men woke up.
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As if the Druids whose teachings derive from spirits who include Ancients that represent the very concept of evolutionary arms races are at fault for them being losers and not just the writers trying to somehow make their RTS version of Warhammer Wood Elves x Drow into something that can conceivably fit the Alliance lmao.
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Letās be honest naga are the drow.
Also they werenāt actually complaining about the men themselves, Especially since so many that were in the laps of a couple druids of the claw.
A lot of the complaints were they just werenāt ready to have them back and the alliance culture throwing a wrench into the Reintegration.
Edit: Unrelated to that conversation, but in hindsight, itās really funny that night elven society was almost completely changed because they underestimated human capacity to pack bond with anything.
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I can understand this but I also think it is blizzardās struggle to show inter-faction relations between races in much depth. Highborne and Dark Ironās would have a lot they could relate to because of parallels, etc. There actually is quite a lot they can connect to these others race with, and it fits Malfurionās beliefs that the game ignores because itās inconvenient in embracing their mortality and change and growing as people into something new like they did after the WotA, rather than clinging to what they sacrificed.
But that entire theme, which I find really beautiful and profound when explored well, kind of requires more thought than blizz needs to make people happy when they know a large portion of the community will just applaud and cry because they saw someone hug their mom in a cinematic or because a tree is pretty.
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It really does stem from the fact that blizzard writers are terrified about the concept of creating an alien culture.
Iām not going to gush about warhammer fantasy Iām not going to gush about warhammer fantasy iām not going to gush about warhammer fantasy
ā¦ But as I was saying, I completely feel for the night elves when it comes to witnessing what feels like their entire culture get completely rewritten because blizzard doesnāt know how to write a non human character.
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She along with her bodyguards were datamined in DF, so I like to think it was the plan at some point.
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Iām still disappointed that my Shaman was forced to work with Magatha back in Legion and then she just vanishes from the face of Azeroth. When DF was in Alpha or Beta and all we knew at the time was that one of the bosses in Vault was āa Grimtotemā, I had my fingers crossed that weād finally get to smash Magathaās skull in.
But alas, it was just some random, never-before-heard-of Grimtotem dude that Blizzard pulled out of their rear.
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He does show up in the revamped UBRS if you are in a group with someone who did the original quests to save him from the vanilla UBRS. He shows up during the 3rd encounter.
He appears at the end of the 10.1 Blue Dragon questline.
If they come back, I hope they shun Calia. Then at least she can be āforsakenā by somebody.
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Itās not even like a night elf exclusive issue, itās just that they decided to fixate on them for 3 of the worst written xpacs lmao. I think itās not even just a fear of representing the inhuman, itās an appeal to only the most simplistic and basest of emotions, which is why I just roll my eyes at Merithra and Ysera hugging. It does nothing to make up for every thing else in that story being devoid of substance and disrespecting the actual ideas that go into Yseraās character to bring her back for that purpose or manner. Dagran is an example of it. There is almost nothing about him that feels Dark Iron nor Bronzebeard. It has nothing to do with the fact heās young, heās been set to become high king since he was in a crib, there SHOULD be an aspect to his story about at least struggling to try to find a way to fill the shoes of a leader of all 3 wildly different clans, but instead heās really JUST A NERD with no extra depth. As far as TWWās story is concerned he and Moira could just not even be royalty or leaders and basically nothing would change.
They also have to try to tie whatever story they want into the new zone unless itās something like a heritage story. So you end up with forced narratives like the Tauren and the DF Centaur WHO HAVE SEEMINGLY ZERO RELATION TO KALIMDOR CENTAUR BECAUSE THEIR NEW ORIGIN WAS NEVER EXPLAINED LMAO. Or you end up with stuff like the Gilneas story where it tries so hard to fit the modern narrative it forgets everything that had actually been part of Gilneasā own narrative for āgood vibesā and crap.
Crazy how it was the perfect chance to start fleshing out where some of the primalists even came from and they proceeded to not even bother to try after until like the Dream patch where they revealed they wereā¦ working with horde races to hurt the horde even though the only things being affected were dragons.
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Tirisfal pumpkins are succulent and delicious.
Thatās why in a gesture of good faith we gave them to Scarlets. Who knew they were allergic?
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Yeah, Forsaken got hit (hard) with that bat as well. There are probably other examples Iām not thinking of off the top of my head.
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Worgen come to mind. Talk about a train wreck.
How do you take one of the most popular creatures in literature, and than proceed to screw it up so bad that it becomes a joke
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I guess per the issue, itās less about āyou humanized themā and as much āyou removed all substance to focus on only whats superficially relatableā and with the Forsaken itās like they ping pong back and forth because some of the writers are more conscious of their humanity, and others are more conscious that they made a chemical weapon out if spite for life lmao.
Iād argue Dwarves get it because at the end of the day theyāre always just funny sounding short humans. Probably Orcs, Trolls and Tauren too. Orcs imo did lose a lot of the narrative in WoD because of what it ended up saying about them indirectly. It tried to wank them off, which is why imo there are still a lot of Orc players on RP realms that just unironically think they should only be āME STRONG MAN CAN SOLO GRONN, BUT IDEA OF ANYONE ELSE HURTING ME IMPOSSIBLE!!!ā because so much of WoD felt like i exclusively highlighted that fact. Orcish Culture is not just violence, Shamanism is
far more harmonious and communal in their roots lmao. And then it just finally got cemented by BfA having them complicit with -another- evil leader when their history was a lesson, like 3 times already in the last 2 generations of orcs, NOT TO BLINDLY TRUST LMAO.
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