For the four of you that still want covenants locked

Hopefully you realize that you are not even a drop in the bucket (none of us are) to Blizzard and you choosing to not play PvP or raid or mythic+ or whatever else because you can’t just min max your entire build at every little whim isn’t causing them to hold emergency meetings at all hours of the day and night to try and solve.

Tryhards very often delude themselves into thinking they are the actual majority when in reality they are just the noisy cog in a massive machine.

But really, none of us really know the kind of numbers or data Blizzard has and is working with. What we do know is that they are very much a fully realized corporate entity now whose primary motive is dollars and cents…so if enough of you noisy cogs actually start putting your money out of their coffers, they may actually bend. Pretty obvious though that there isn’t enough angst that is affecting their bottom line to force their hand at this point.

But in any event, we won’t see eye to eye and my time is better spent finishing this Netflix show and calling it a night than pointlessly arguing here.

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Because they play optimally and at least I, probably you and most other people as well, don’t.

Take Rune of Power. It’s a dps increase for frost when used optimally. As soon as you don’t even Incanters flow can be better - and you can move without thinking about the rune. However, for extremely good players, Rune of Power or Focus Magic are the go to because they won’t make mistakes as much or time things wrong.

Hey now come on he was being optimistic

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You read any guides recently? Most of them address this and have suggestions for easier/passive alternatives.

Did you miss the part where I specifically told you I just wanted to experiment with various less optimal builds and all the min/maxing is done when we first make our choice?

What you want just has people picking the best one and sticking with it, which is very uninspired to say the least.

There is a simple solution Blizz could of done .

Earn the abilities for your class while leveling and they become talents at 60 .

The signature abilities stay a part of the covenant.

If a person decides they just want to use the class ability their covenant offers it is already baked in .

For those that want to use the class ability for their class from a different covenant within their chosen aesthetic covenant all it would of taken is a single conduit that would make any class ability work with the soul binds of any covenant.

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If it has no meaning, then what stops you from swapping around? Don’t quite understand…

I have zero intention of ever changing covenants, I just don’t like the other three options besides nightfae, I don’t care if one’s mechanically better.

However, I do wish they would open the covenants up so people can do what they want to do, and enjoy themselves. My personal RP choice shouldn’t lock others down.

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I’d prefer keeping the covenant choice constant but allowing for a choice among a ‘powers pool’.

You could swap if you want, but really just borrowing some arcane knowledge from allies should not be a stretch. Mounts/mogs/titles correspond to the primary covenant choice, but go crazy picking your borrowed power.

Seems an odd system to be so rigid about since it will be completely gone in about 18 months.

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I’m not strictly a ripcorder, I think the whole “BiS covenant” issue is mostly overblown for like 99% of the player base. If you’re not world firsting or whatever, the second best covenant will be fine.

But Metanerds gonna metanerd and I wouldn’t be against them pulling said ripcord.

However, Ion Hazziquesadilla has stated he has no plans to do that.

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They won’t ripcord it because they are clueless. I’ll give another example and that is the “fix” they are implementing in the garbage fire they call pvp actually fixes nothing and pvp will continue to be vanilla levels of trash. I don’t know whats up with Blizzard but it looks like they are taking the doubling down on terrible positions route.

That probably isn’t the issue with changing things right now. I always hate when they change things after people invested a lot of time and effort into the existing system and then they go and make things easier so others don’t have to because they whine and stamp their feet about the effort required. That literally makes me want to quit the game.

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The questline to switch back takes 2 lockouts to complete. So, that.

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Unlocking them doesn’t change anything about the time or effort you put in to the system, it just incentivizes people to use more of the system

the template of “if you don’t like [blank], don’t take part in [blank]” is a very bad one and it’s easy to see why.

just about every topic being argued in politics has one side or another attempting this argument.

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Sure it does - it changes the feeling of accomplishment and value you got from that time investment. If I have invested extra time to level multiple druids so that I had one of each covenant, all that effort becomes wasted.

It is like someone spending weeks get BIS gear and then blizzard just hands it to others for minimal effort when the gear is still BIS. Or someone spending 5 million on a vendor mount and then blizzard just putting it at a 10% drop from a world boss. Changes of that nature turn a lot of people into your types - ones who refuse to do anything but rather complain to have things changed so they don’t have to.

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Oh, that’s exactly it. The system is so restrictive that people have actually leveled alts of the same class just to have it on another covenant. Like, forget having alts of another class, first you have to level and gear four mains.

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I wish I could mix and match the covenant abilities. It’s because I love Bastion and I would like all my characters to go there, but I really dislike the Bastion covenant abilities for some classes and would prefer to pick different ones instead. I tried out the venthyr covenant ability for my Warlock, for example, and that one feels so fun, but he has to spend all this time in a zone I dislike to have access to it :frowning_face:

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I feel like this is super situational.

For example, “if you dont like guns, don’t take part in guns” doesn’t really work because unfortunately, you can be affected by someone else’s guns.
A player swapping their covenant, however, doesn’t really impact anyone else’s experience. Unless you rolled a second main to have a second covenant already… In which case that would probably make you feel pretty ripped off. Though, it still doesn’t directly affect their experience in an in-game way. They are still just playing with players who are using covenants.

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following your logic - and doing a 180 on mine - doesn’t that mean that by you being able to shift covenants and if i choose not to shift also, the balance of power would shift in your favor and I’ll become a last-pick for group content?

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