That’s it.
Thank you.
P.S. Tarnsmog toggle on/off for those who may not like it.
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Agreed, I know I sure hate when I’m like halfway through building a set and I look like I don’t know how to dress myself, or maybe I don’t like how the current gear looks, doesn’t change anything aside from people not being able to completely tell what your gear is at a glance, but then again with how rampant gearscore is again, they don’t need to, they’ll just look at that anyway.
I hope that mounts/pets/titles/achievements/item appearances are never made to be account-wide in Classic. And I also hope that they either remove Transmog entirely, or at least give us an option to “opt out” of it if we choose.
These are all things that heavily contributed to WoW feeling like modern-day Retail for me and I think they’re awful for the game.
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Is it really so bad to swap to monk main and have amani bear from ZA that I already earned on former main?
I suspect those who don’t want account wide mounts, could simply opt out from using them, but why restrict others?
I thought “retail is bad” because of how easy leveling is, RDF, LFR, and incredibly hard Mythic and M+ content for those who want to do actual hard content… How do mounts make retail bad? I mean, sounds like you want everyone to only have racial mounts…Obviously, being able to do dungeons/group content during LEVELING outside of guild is a big no-go for classic andys… and everything must be accompanied with 30-40minutes of downtime in waiting and travelling
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I think there may be value to keeping transmog on an individual basis, if for example I have three plate characters and want to run Icecrown citadel for plate items for all of them then I’d have to do so on all of them until I get the items I want.
Icecrown citadel being a raid from the previous expansion it’ll require multiple players and this mild difficulty creates a form of casual group content that’ll last longer if items are transmogged only on the character that earned it.
Now of course eventually everyone will get everything they want, except for that invisible horse but adding longevity to something like this has a value on its own that I think we shouldn’t be too quick to dismiss.
I think so, yes. WoW was designed to be a traditional RPG where your characters were each individual people with their own story and journey. Stripping away the aspects that make them individual diminishes the RPG aspect of the game.
That isn’t a solution to the problem. This is very much a social issue.
I don’t really see the point in this question. It’s not about restricting others. I could flip this logic and ask you “Why force transmog and diminished rarity/value onto others?” That’s just totally beside the point.
I don’t understand why you’re turning the conversation to these topics. These seem to have nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Could you point out what I said that sounded like that…? I said absolutely nothing about racial mounts, or restricting people to only using those.
I’d have to agree with this. In a world where transmog is implemented again and there’s nothing we can do about it, the very least they could do is make it so you had to unlock appearances on a per-character basis.
+1
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I would also like to keep things separated by character.
I will differ in one thing… transmog. It is casual content that gives a lot of life to old content. The modern UI system would be highly supported for this.
trilogy reset >>>> cata btw
It was, originally.
Microsoft also only local save Excel, but now they have cloud and sharepoint. Things can grow and develop.
But not everyone plays the game for this particular “RPG aspect”.
My RPG can be different from yours. WoW allows that. WOW is not a game where you can ONLY play it ONE way. You can play whatever way you want…But for some reason people like you are under the impression that everyone must play the way you do it.
As per “journey”…my future monk won’t have a chance to go through all the lore the way this druid did. If I get another anzu, it won’t be the same “RPG” style, where as a druid I did a quest chain and the lore behind it. How’s grinding same mount on multiple toons is “RPG”?
But then again, my point stands. You can always go back and repeat the process for yourself and play it the way you want to. Same as Hardcore era right now. Some choose to do it, others don’t, but no one is forced into this playstyle.
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You know you can go on retail right now and not use transmog right? What are you talking about “opt out”?
He is talking about others. Not to see any transmogs at all.
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For Cata, consider not doing it…
That’s understandable. Transmog is a pretty cool feature, and it was pretty well-received when it first debuted as far as I can recall. Back before I quit Retail in late Legion, I used Transmog on all my characters.
For me, the negative aspect(s) of transmog was somewhat subtle, and it marked a huge shift in WoW’s aesthetics over the years.
Sure, but as you may have noticed, Classic exists because people wanted to play WoW in its original form. The closer Classic comes to “being” modern Retail, the less purpose there is in its existence in my opinion.
That shouldn’t mean that those RPG aspects will be forcibly removed or diminished for the people who enjoy them. Trying to cater to everyone isn’t good design.
…This is all true, without all the things you’re asking for. No matter which way you want to try and twist it, you’re asking for a change to the original game design, and I oppose that request because I like it as it was.
- I have strong doubts that it’s particularly common for people to abandon their old mains to play whatever the newest class is. This is a problem for a relatively small number of people, and it’s only a problem for a short amount of time. The older the class gets, the older your characters get too.
- That’s kind of just the price you pay when you hop on for a new class. It doesn’t make sense – practically or lore-wise – for a monk to have the Scarab Lord title/mount, for example. Allowing a monk to have them simply cheapens their value.
- You’re making the conscious decision to play a new race or class. If you want to retain all of your old cosmetics/achievements, you’re free to keep playing the characters you earned them on. Or in most cases, to just earn them again if you care so much about them. I don’t see why your choice to play a new main is a good justification for diminishing RPG elements for everyone else.
Again though, that’s not a solution to the problem. No more than if I were to tell you “You can always go and play Retail where you have these features available.” That doesn’t solve your problem, right? It’s a complete misunderstanding of what your problem is.
What I’d like is an option somewhere in settings to “Toggle Transmogrification Off”, so I will always see the base appearances of the gear that people are wearing (including myself), whether they have other appearances applied to them or not.
Similar to the option to use the old character models, if that option still exists.
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I don’t think I would ever want to reboot again. Once was enough. Happy to just play my clones on Era servers if I get that itch.
Yeah, and we got it. Doesn’t mean everyone wants to keep doing it over and over and over and over and over again.
There are players who want to advance further. You are not accepting the fact that not everyone wants to go back and would rather keep playing.
Trying to cater to the majority is better design than trying to cater to those handful individuals.
Um, hardly. Im asking for an improved design, not something completely new, like glyph of reckoning. …not to mention all other changes in Classic, and sort by butout in AH.
OG Transmog system was its first iteration. And then it got better.
They are not even remotely close to one another.
“Go to retail” is whole another client.
You going back to Stratholm on every character is not the same as going to play another game.
I’d beg to differ. Even stepping back from the somewhat recent craze of remastering and rereleasing older games (I’m talking outside of Blizzard), I think private servers are proof enough that there are literally millions of players who are content to just enjoy the same old thing over and over and over and over again.
Anyways, my whole point is that Classic exists to adhere to the older game design philosophy. Look no further than the removal of dungeon finder for proof of that.
Well, it can be “better”, depending on what your goals are. It can be a better business desicion, which is why Retail is what it is today, and why it’s so profitable. What you seem to not be seeing here though is that Classic is the product of catering to a smaller number of individuals. And they’ve reinforced it catering to that specific crowd by changing the game.
It makes no practical or business sense for Classic to become any more like Retail than it strictly needs to be. It makes perfect sense that they’re actually catering toward the crowd who don’t play Retail.
I said nothing about “new feature versus incremental change”. But yes, asking for account-wide mounts/pets and transmog is asking for something that didn’t exist in the original version of the game. Those things didn’t exist before.
You can choose to not see it if you like, but it doesn’t change the fact that your “solutions” aren’t solutions at all. They’re simply dismissals of my problems. And fair enough if you actually don’t care about my problems. But at least say so rather than pretending like the Traitorous Critic Fallacy is a real answer.
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era servers
lma millions?
Biggest server is mane. Icecrown realm lists at cap of 12k, and plenty of people say it’s inflated. There are only a handful of other servers that come even remotely close to Mane. You could add up 100k players across all xpacs at most…But what do I know, i’ve only played on pservers for years prior to coming to retail.
you should follow your advice than. If you’re not a fan of account wide mount, and you want to earn every mount, you can easily farm a duplicate one on every of your alts.
Still a solution to your problem.
Neither did same faction pvp
Netierh did WG as a bg
Neither did chronoboomer
Neither did dk nerf / pala buff
Neither did custom difficulty content.
Neither did H+
Neither did improved barbershop
Neither did badges from questing
Neither did cross realm arena teams.
RDF existed but was scrapped.
So, why is it that asking for MoP feature in Cata is such a big deal, when we got MoiP features in TBC/Wrath. (looking at pvp specifically)
Retail keep things accountwide. Classic keep it separate. Also people are asking for Cata Classic? I wouldn’t mind skipping it going to MoP but even as a true MoP fan Classic should end with WotLK. Cata is when every changed for better and worse.
…The implication being that they’d be popular if people wanted to play old WoW? Well.
- Era servers actually are picking up in popularity lately.
- There are still private servers going strong and even launching new ones
- How exactly do you explain the massive popularity of private servers over the last decade? You can’t possibly pretend that current Classic Era is the only Vanilla people have been playing for 1.5 decades now.
- I have a theory as to why era has done so poorly up until now, and basically, it’s just that people want one last chance to experience a “live” Blizzard realm again. Even Blizzard themselves don’t know what the future of Classic is, and I think most people are just living it up playing the “newest” Classic content available, because it might be their only chance to do this again. I have a strong suspicion that the numbers of players we see in Classic will resemble what we’ve seen in private servers over the years once there’s some conclusion to “live” Classic, or when interest in the next Classic expansion drops off.
Warmane wasn’t always the biggest server. I’m talking about all the major Vanilla and TBC servers over the years too.
And really, this is a weird point for you to choose to argue me on, but I’ll leave you with this: Literally the only reason why Classic was ever allowed to happen was that Activision Blizzard’s corporate shareholders couldn’t ignore the insane number of people who were playing old WoW but not paying a subscription. The number of people playing private servers was significant enough that the corporation saw it as a threat to their revenue. This is why they invested so many resources into legal actions and hired private investigators to harass private server admins in their homes in the middle of the night.
This is getting a little old. I can’t tell if you’re trolling me or if you seriously can’t see the glaring error in your logic here… 
I never said that I personally endorse any or all of those things. So again, you’re bringing stuff into this conversation that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic we’re talking about.
The point you’re trying to make is nothing but a strawman.
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I’d rather no transmog or at most a severely restricted form, ie. only recolors of the gear you’re wearing.
It was a gradual thing in the og game but it slowly killed the excitement of getting new gear for me.