if you are queueing for a random bg and its your first time, you are in the noob bracket. unless they are grouping up with other pvpers, they shouldn’t be seeing much of the high end gameplay the main pvp community is used to.
to be honest they should just put this on the load screen for each map along with the win conditions.
I’d rather have something like HOTS practice mode
Where I can summon in NPC opponents or Allies, customize their stats and talents, ask them to use abilities so I can test various interactions, etc.
Also joint practice mode with your group would be great
That is a good idea too!
The player community has always been better than the game devs at education. It’s up to us to pass along our knowledge to newer players.
I mean in theory that’s great, but you can’t help people who don’t want to be helped.
Can lead a horse to water, but can’t make it drink right?
Idk how many times I’ve explained to people a strat or a BG, the why and how to do things, and they either don’t read it. Or don’t care.
Which is why I think it should be mandatory tutorials.
No, that wouldn’t help people like that. Some people just don’t care.
that’s what drives a lot of people to premade, they want to play with people who care and want to play.
also they tried mandatory tutorials with Proving Grounds in MoP, you had to get silver or better to queue for LFR and people rioted. although iirc you needed to win 2 bgs for the leggo cloak quest and people also rioted about mandatory pvp.
People will riot about anything and everything.
Premades are great but I barely run random bgs these days because the pugs are so bad. Literally some bgs are unplayable.
It’s a mix of lack of knowledge and lack of caring. I see a lot of “lol bro its just a random” as they sit mid and get farmed while putting in zero effort.
You aren’t wrong, and it’s frustrating. ‘lol why are you such a try hard’ I hear that a lot when I try and give shout outs.
It’s annoying to join a bg and be the only one who wants to win.
And then they get railroaded by a 30-40 man premade and think what did I learn? Nothing, absolutely nothing.
You may learn some stuff in premades re follow the leader and strategy.
However, there is very little PVP happening because pugs just fall over re the overwhelming force of a grp all travelling together. You can’t even get a rotation going or an even state of play to even learn the strengths and weaknesses of other classes.
You learn just to be there.
I agree for the most part, that being against a premade isn’t the most fun if you’re solo.
However it’s the fact that Pugs have no idea or willingness, it seems, to learn the battlegrounds that drive people to premade.
I’d rather play with a raid of people who I know want to win, and have at least the basest understanding of how a Bg works. Then que up with 39 people were over half of them don’t seem to care, and the other half don’t know what they’re doing/don’t listen to simple calls.
‘Go Iceblood Graveyard’ shouldn’t be rocket science to people.
'Where is Iceblood Graveyard?"
Proceed to try and show them and they just run around in circles.
Ok fair enough. What is it that drives people on? What is it about a premade that makes it any better? Winning in the shortest time possible so you can move on to the next one and win in the shortest time possible over and over? I get the lack of direction of pugs, it’s the nature of the beast.
For me, winning or losing a BG when it’s been a close match beats out premades any day. I did the premade thing where we flooded the field of strife and just picked off wave after wave of Horde like they were nothing. Yeah, it was fun to begin with, then it got stale. I’d rather be in IBT or TP having a massive battle over capping the tower, where both teams are relatively equal.
Do I like to lose, no, but I also recognize the talent the other team had, or their composition was just that bit stronger than the team I’m in. That buzz is gone from AV, Ashran and IOQ (Not so much WinterG it’s just horrible any way you look at it).
I was in a great IOQ the other day which the Horde won, and it was fun, although we just got beat at the end. The buzz of winning or losing that BG was like the old days.
I believe it’s a sad state of affairs that WOW PVP has come to this, tbh. Lack of population, that will slowly get worse unless Blizzard/Microsoft get the finger out and make it something people want to flock to again. Maybe I’m the old-fashioned fart that is harking back to the days when it was amazing fun.