Basically raiding requires more than a small friend group, which creates the need for an organized guild or similar structure within the game, and this is not something that everybody wants to participate in.
Once players over-gear raids, or if the difficulty is easy enough, like LFR, the content doesn’t need an organized group, but that type of raiding generally isn’t a lot of fun, it tends to feel like a disorganized mess.
In a large group, there is also the sense that you are not contributing all that much, the emphasis is more on coordination and cooperation, which a lot of players aren’t looking for.
While raiding can create some positive social dynamics, in the sense of an organized group either being necessary or vastly improving the experience, not all of it is good, especially not if you don’t find the right guild.
Raiding as the center-piece of end game has never made a lot of sense. It’s better now with raiding as one aspect, alongside mythic+ as a small group progression system.
I’ve always enjoyed raiding, to be clear. But even so, there are obvious issues with how much organization is required, and having challenging, rewarding dungeon content was always something that would have improved the game.
It’s only now with mythic+ that we finally have this, and it’s also WoW’s most popular feature. The devs should have prioritized this much earlier, tbh.
A person who plays games but aren’t competitive. Usually they are just there to be social and have fun but if they end up losing in the game they wouldn’t mind. They don’t put in a lot of effort to try to win. They may or may not play long hours of games. A casual gamer doesn’t place their gaming as a first.
h ttps://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Casual%20Gamer
A player that only spends 6 hours a week doing an activity seems to fit this definition quite nicely. But that again depends on your interpretation of many things within said definition.
Like I said, there are a ton of interpretations on what’s considered to be casual. A player who only does Normal raiding could possibly see Heroic and Mythic to be more hardcore. A player who does Heroic and only see doing Mythic as hardcore. And a player who only raids 6 hours a week on Mythic can see that pushing any more time into that would be considered hardcore. It’s all down to interpretation of what players perceive to be casual.
I don’t raid because my guild died in Warlords and I stopped caring about raiding after that.
I took a long break from the game after WoD, skipped most of Legion and came back to BFA a couple months ago. I don’t have up to date logs so getting into decent Mythic guilds is impossible. I don’t see the point in Heroic raiding since I can achieve the same ilvl in Mythic+ Much faster and easier.
I used to love to raid and wish I could do it now…but I just can’t.
My work schedule is chaotic, 12 hour days, rotating every 4 weeks. I even rotate from days to nights several times a year. I would make about 50% of raids if I was in a raiding guild.
I also don’t need the stress. I play solo for the most part, don’t even do M+. I just enjoy keeping my stable of 12 Horde up and running. I’m currently starting to level 12 Alliance characters. I’ll keep doing this as long as the buff is active.
Just like making gold here and there doing my own thing.
When I retire (with full pay) in 3.5 years I don’t plan on working…and will definitely have time to do more in game. If the game is still around then I’ll probably jump back into raiding.
From the link I posted earlier, which is the official English language definition of the word …
adjective
1. relaxed and unconcerned.
“she regarded his affairs with a casual indulgence”
2. not regular or permanent.
noun
1. a person who does something irregularly.
“a number of casuals became regular customers”
If I used this sentence to describe a MYTHIC raider, would it make sense?
"A casual mythic raider is a person who does not raid regularly, and when does raiding does it relaxed and unconcerned about if they beat the bosses and clears the raid or not."
There’s not a ton of interpretations. People can add WTF they want to a urban dictionary, just doesn’t make it so.
At the very least, you are talking JUST about the time required by the player to do mythic raiding, and ignoring the rest of the activities that are involved, which gives a false impression of the ease or casualness that is required to do the activity.
Anyway, going to leave it there, not worth either of our times to hash this out more. Just sad that we can’t even agree on the usage of simple English words at this point.
Ehh, it doesn’t matter what you want to put forward as simple English. Like I said words have different meanings in the gaming world. Not really much more else to say on the subject matter.
Just sad that we can’t agree that words have many different meanings and interpretations.
Sorry, couldn’t resist. From the urban dictionary link you provided …
A person who plays games but aren’t competitive. Usually they are just there to be social and have fun but if they end up losing in the game they wouldn’t mind. They don’t put in a lot of effort to try to win.
Most of it these days is work related, being on the graveyard shift makes it rough.
Secondary to that I got tired of trying. Raided in Vanilla, TBC, and Wrath which is when 10 man raiding fit our guild like a glove.
Move on to Cata and they put 10 man on the same level as 25 man and it just killed it. Couldn’t just take whoever was online, was going to need to create teams and bench some awfully nice people. Guild decided we were not going to do that to long time friends and quit.
Fast forward to MoP. Find other guilds to run with as a fill in. Never failed that what was formed to be just a 10 man normal guild always had one or two that just had to try to turn it into a heroic guild. 2-3 weeks later it always imploded so stopped trying.
Did LFR for a bit but the gear became pointless and with BfA and scaling no longer saw the point. Basically every time Blizzard makes a change it just ruins it so I stopped caring.
We geared up from Heroic before walking into Mythic during the same raid hours. On our off days, we’d grab whoever was online and do AoTC clears for gold and assign a player to make sure the Gbank was always stocked up and I was the main one sitting down and looking at strategies and then explaining it to the guild before doing the encounter for the first time.
None of these things are hard to do and don’t require a lot of effort. There are PLENTY of players who after getting Heroic geared through simple content walk into Mythic and fight.
But they did require time and effort. Not a casual task to just walk into a MYTHIC raid, you had to prepare, do work, plan, and spend time, beforehand.
I dont raid,number one, because the player base is way to demanding. People wipe once and start freaking out. They want lower dps players kicked etc.
Number 2, because 99% of raiders do it late at night. I gotta sleep.
Well I used to heal on my druid,priest and shaman —now I don’t thanks to azurite ranks plus traits,essences and corruption gear.Used to tank on DK,druid but I don’t for same reasons;so overall 5-6 toons I used to play regular but now I won’t.
I like raiding is why I want to raid but for a long time I worked night shift and Struggled to find a guild to fit my times. Now I’m on day shift and kinda scared to commit because if we pick up after this is all over I may or may not end up on night shift again.
You said you like raiding with your guild. It seems your guild has beaten Heroic Nzoth. Why not move forward and go Mythic raiding with them?
I presume that your guild sucks. Your Heroic Nzoth kill came from PuGs. And you dont want to move forward to Mythic Raiding with PuGs becoz they’re toxic. Am I right or wrong? Just want to know why many people like you wont move forward to Mythic raiding.