Flying damages immersion.
I want to ask those that mention this how heavy the damage was in BC, WotLK, and Cata.
Is it really the flying damaging immersion, or the landscape not designed with flying in mind damaging immersion?
Did you ever use land mount because you value immersion that much?
Please kindly answer to these questions in your mind and you will know what you truly are on about.
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11/05/2018 10:44 PMPosted by
Charax
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Certainly. Aside from the fact your taking a great point and clawing to come up with any counter argument no matter how weak, its simple.
You have a tradeoff between MUH IMMERSION and profit.
If you want to take the supposedly "scenic" route youre simply not going to make as much and thats on you. Otherwise its knuckle down, hop in the ferrari mount and get to digital work.
Keep in mind that your basing this around your false premise that you cant enjoy immersion or artwork in a game with flying in it. this simply isnt true reference my last post.
My pleasure
That wasn’t the discussion. The person I was replying to said it’s not a competition amongst players. Effectively, he was saying that if one group farms faster than another group, it’s irrelevant because we’re not competing. You applauded that when it’s really nonsense. Of course it’s a relative competition when it comes to farming.
Care to retry your reponse to me, the “bird brain” or maybe you want to leave it to the original poster?
Certainly.
The point he made about him flying does not affect you in almost any way is 99.99999999% true in almost every category WHICH YOU WILL NOT ACKNOWLEDGE.
instead you tried to bring up a counter argument by saying he has a competitive edge in gathering and can make more gold.
Someone brings up a rational point and almost wholly correct and factual point.
You attempt to refute it by bringing up anything no matter how small, fractional or petty to refute his entire point.
"This whole city is on fire"
"No it isn't"
"Uh...yeah it is."
"Theres a tree over there that isn't on fire"
"....ok but who cares my whole point is the city is on fire, which it is."
"But you said the whole city"
"Ok well most of the city and who gives a !@#$ anyways its just a tree"
"I happened to like that tree"
"....%^-* you"
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11/05/2018 10:53 PMPosted by
Velara
I enjoy not flying until the X.2 of the patch like in Legion, I get to explore the world it seems larger, and by the time X.2 roles out when I'm leveling more alts I can just fly by the boring stuff where I have already seen everything for the 10th+ time leveling characters to 120.
Fyi I already have 8 120's....
So don't fly until you want to.
People who like flying don't have that option.
Agreed.
I'll do you one better. Let them turn flight off with a 30 day cooldown to turn it back on.
I'd love to see if anyone actually used it. BUT WPVP. Boo hoo you can dismount people.... again!
The point he made about him flying does not affect you in almost any way is 99.99999999% true in almost every category WHICH YOU WILL NOT ACKNOWLEDGE.
I acknowledge that you are both wrong.
If a chunk of the population can farm more efficiently, they’ll have more time to spend on gearing activities.
The other chunk of the population that is less efficient will have less time for gearing activities and/or gold making activities.
When trying to access a raid spot or rated PvP spot, you ARE competing against other players for that spot. It’s absurd to think that we aren’t competing with other players.
If you don’t think it’s a competition, agree to my proposal.
11/05/2018 10:46 PMPosted by
Charax
Blizzard disagrees that it is good for the game so how about “no” to your early flying request?
And Blizzard is wrong.
11/05/2018 10:46 PMPosted by
Charax
Stalemate, which I am fine with since that means no flying until it is irrelevant.
Yes, you're fine with it because you're an !@#$%^- who takes perverse pleasure in seeing people denied something for no reason and flaunting in their faces how much you enjoy that fact. I can see your Comcast nipples through the internet.
Blizzard is wrong? Your opinion. Their game, their choice and I agree with their stance.
I am fine with the current regime because I prefer it not because you don’t get your way.
11/05/2018 10:10 PMPosted by
Torghen
One player flying and another traveling by ground mount have absolutely no impact on each other. At all. The open world is a non-competitive game play space. Quests don't disappear if you reach the quest giver second
Also this is in the game with classes. One can make pve much easier running certain classes/specs .
this char is vengeance space. Short of the truly hard elite rares...I will drop them solo. Something a squishier class cannot do. DK's and paladins...same thing. We bring our tank.
Night elves can "cheat" we rush a mob on route, get dismounted...we can pop shadow. Break agro, rush again.
Hunters with feign death, same thing.
rogues with their skill.
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11/05/2018 11:17 PMPosted by
Charax
The point he made about him flying does not affect you in almost any way is 99.99999999% true in almost every category WHICH YOU WILL NOT ACKNOWLEDGE.
I acknowledge that you are both wrong.
If a chunk of the population can farm more efficiently, they’ll have more time to spend on gearing activities.
The other chunk of the population that is less efficient will have less time for gearing activities and/or gold making activities.
When trying to access a raid spot or rated PvP spot, you ARE competing against other players for that spot. It’s absurd to think that we aren’t competing with other players.
If you don’t think it’s a competition, agree to my proposal.
Someone else brought up this point which you glossed over, but what about people who play the game more? should they be restricted to log in 2 hours a day if you only log in 2 hours a day if that means they could farm more mats than you? Should your desires override all other players? This is why youre a bird brain.
I do apologize though I never should have attempted to argue with someone in the first place who held your position since by its nature is illogical.
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Flying damages immersion. Devs said they don't want flying and it was a mistake to add it to begin with. Pathfinder is a compromise, be happy you'll be able to fly some day.
I agree that flying was a mistake... back in BC but that horse left the barn over 10 years ago.
You know what hurts my immersion? Riding flying mounts on the ground for no reason.
I am exalted with just about everyone, have done the majority of quests in BFA, completed the war campaign(thus far) and unlocked every feature. Let me fly already. If flying were implemented right now, you anti flyers could just as easily hop onto your ground mounts and continue having fun. I'd like to have fun in the way I enjoy, by actually getting to the objectives and doing the things I want to do instead of fiddling around with 600 mobs that scale with Ilvl that I have killed who knows how many times in my quest to save turtles.
Pathfinder is obnoxious and as far as I can see exists to waste my time without adding anything significant.
That said, War Mode should have flying disabled at all times.
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I am still furious I flew slower than those raid fatty nerds who got the extra fast Firebird Raid mount in Burning Crusade!
I want blizzard to let me fly everywhere including dungeons so I can skip boring mobs and bosses.
All you no fly zones Don't Fricken Rate! I was thee most Feared and Dreaded Viking Boots on the Ground Hell Hound in those Arab lands - who do you think made that No Fly Zone!? Now I am an even cooler Blood Elf Marine War Fighter come On ship and You tell me I cant Fly!?
THIS IS WARCRAFT !!!!!!!!
I Can Fly!
11/05/2018 11:19 PMPosted by
Charax
Blizzard is wrong? Your opinion.
No, fact.
11/05/2018 11:19 PMPosted by
Charax
Their game, their choice
And if they were a parent they would have had their game taken from them by social services.
11/05/2018 11:19 PMPosted by
Charax
I am fine with the current regime because I prefer it not because you don’t get your way.
Your behavior shows otherwise. You're very clearly not just happy things are you like them, but rather are also extremely pleased that things being the way you like them is causing other people distress. Which of course makes sense, because the very nature of things being how you like them is that options and enjoyment are stripped away from others despite those options having nothing to do with you.
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"The world feels larger, feels more dangerous," he says. "There's more room for exploration, for secrets, for discovery and overall immersion in the world. At this point, we feel that outdoor gameplay in World of Warcraft is ultimately better without flying. We're not going to be reintroducing the ability to fly in Draenor, and that's kind of where we're at going forward."
ultimately better without flyingHAHAHAHA!
I've played this game for quite a long time. Expensive mounts at level 40 and more so at 60.
Had to PvP my way for my level 60 epic raptor which was really fun.
So why can't why is flying still severely time gated again? Is it still better without flying?
And that's called "going forward".
So much backlash from the last one and what do we get? "We're happy how Pathfinder went".
Take some time and listen to your customers, some of us have been loyal for many years.
This will probably be ignored but !@#$ it, so are many other things now.
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WotLk & Cataclysm were so much better with flying in my opinion. MoP was also pretty good (The Rare-Rares & treasures were an awesome reason for no flying for a while). Warlords and Legion were less fun for not having flying.
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Any chance we can fly before the last zone opens?
Regarding the last zone. I'd really like to take my Shammy and Priest there this time.
Dying sucks and the death walk back is even worse if you can find it.
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Exalted with Mayan/Aztec/Wakandan guys.
Bought the flying lizard but still can't fly.
8.2? 8.2.5?
Piss off.
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Your proposal is rejected because it trades something that shouldn't be held hostage in the first place. It's like you're stealing someone's bike and then selling it back to them. "You can fly in current content but only if people riding ground mounts arbitrarily get a boost to resource collection such that ground mounts are more efficient for literally no reason." How about no. How about I get to fly in current content because it's what the players want and it's what's good for the game and you can deal with collecting a few less herbs per hour relatively speaking if you want to experience the game from the ground exclusively?
Blizzard disagrees that it is good for the game so how about “no” to your early flying request?
Stalemate, which I am fine with since that means no flying until it is irrelevant.
We are at a stalemate because you obviously didn't play BC, WotLK, Cata, or MoP (right?). How silly it must be to take a specific side for the sake of irritating others. It's really hard to judge the authenticity of your opinion and people like you given the evidence it was never "immersion breaking" or negative until WoD somehow. You must also not have played from 2006-2010 when flying in BC and WotLK was the norm. You know, the two most successful renditions of the game?
Honestly, are you serious or just being contrarian for the sake of it?
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It's still leftover spite from the players not allowing Blizzard to take out flying completely. We're going to be punished for our love of flying until this current dev team is gone.
When they leave it'll be a GREAT day for wow.
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Flying trivializes the majority of the content so it makes sense to award flying after the content you will be flying over has aged.
We will still be questing in Zandalar and Kul Tiras in 8.1 so it would be too early for flying.
Besides what is the point of having hills, mountains, and bodies of water if you can fly from day 1?
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Forget the immersion nonsense from blizzard... flying causes players to finish content faster than Blizzard can put out .
That’s the only reason they time gate flying so that they can keep up with producing content .
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11/06/2018 03:33 AMPosted by
Dosao
Forget the immersion nonsense from blizzard... flying causes players to finish content faster than Blizzard can put out .
That’s the only reason they time gate flying so that they can keep up with producing content .
This too.
Even if
Blizzard could keep up, it would then be too much content if they had to keep up with flying from day 1. Too much content can be bad as well because playing the game would feel like a full time job.
Pathfinder IMO has been a perfect solution.
11/06/2018 03:35 AMPosted by
Leowulf
11/06/2018 03:33 AMPosted by
Dosao
Forget the immersion nonsense from blizzard... flying causes players to finish content faster than Blizzard can put out .
That’s the only reason they time gate flying so that they can keep up with producing content .
This too.
Even if Blizzard could keep up, it would then be too much content if they had to keep up with flying from day 1. Too much content can be bad as well because playing the game would feel like a full time job.
Pathfinder IMO has been a perfect solution.
There is a way around it by having a lot of flying mobs which can dismount you all over the place .
I wonder why Blizzard has never gone that route , give ppl flying and slow them in the air with flying mobs.
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