It is quite simple, they need you to play more. Taking longer to get things done. And that's all there is to it. This is Blizzard now and you have to deal with it.
Flying will be always be when it's trivial and not exactly necessary to do current content stuff.
11/06/2018 09:26 AMPosted by GrokblarfAs long as they hold my wings, the issue stays relevant.
That always amuses me. "God you made one thread on the topic and even though nothing has changed isn't that enough for you???????"
11/05/2018 06:40 PMPosted by DĂ€rkmistFlying damages immersion. Devs said they don't want flying and it was a mistake to add it to begin with. Pathfinder is a compromise, be happy you'll be able to fly some day.
You believe everything they say? Good little fanboy (pat pat).
It actually ruins the fun entirely for a lot of people, many of whom are just gone because of pathfinder. Flying at max level was normal for too long to remove it without repercussions. They're paying a heavy price for being so obtuse on flying. Most people hate that flying is time gated.
A real compromise would have been a negotiation with the players, not a unilateral decision shoved down our throats against our will. Saying it was a compromise is a lie, stop spreading lies.
I don't like pathfinder at all, but I'd settle for a pathfinder that could be completed shortly after max level. It would also be better to have requirements that represented the entire player base and not something that forces static requirements on everyone. A pathfinder with a list of diverse requirements that only requires completing some of them to finish it so you can do the ones you want and skip the ones you don't find fun.
Immersion is in the eye of the beholder. I find flying a far more engaging way to play the game, and a much more fun way to explore the world. It's sad that the developers and their sycophants can't come to terms with the reality that forcing a single vision of how the game should be played on a diverse group of players is counter productive.
The entire flying situation has been handled very badly, with utter contempt for the players, and with a high minded holier than thou arrogant superiority complex that thinks you think you want it but you don't.
I'm just tired of being treated like a pile of crap instead of a valued customer, which is why my Blizzard games are uninstalled and I won't be purchasing sub time or games in the future unless this changes. You don't have to care about your customers, and your customers don't have to care about you either. Cya.
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Fly if you want to , be on the ground if you want to. Just don't force your anti flight narative on the rest that don't share your views! With the darkshore story questing failing along with classes and other issues at blizzcon. There's not much to hold onto to keep playing at this point. Flying would help balance out the lack of motivation.
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11/05/2018 06:25 PMPosted by VoidarcaneI enjoy not flying until the X.2 of the patch like in Legion, I get to explore the world it seems larger, and by the time X.2 roles out when I'm leveling more alts I can just fly by the boring stuff where I have already seen everything for the 10th+ time leveling characters to 120.
Fyi I already have 8 120's....
I sure wish we could still down vote.
If you don't want to fly, don't fly. It's simple as that. But many of us want to fly and enjoy flying. To have flying gives us a quality of life increase. To give us flying only after it's not really needed anymore is a slap in our faces.
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11/05/2018 06:25 PMPosted by VoidarcaneI enjoy not flying until the X.2 of the patch like in Legion, I get to explore the world it seems larger, and by the time X.2 roles out when I'm leveling more alts I can just fly by the boring stuff where I have already seen everything for the 10th+ time leveling characters to 120.
Fyi I already have 8 120's....
Nobody forces you to fly, if you dont like it and want to feel like the world is bigger then mount up on ground mounts. Stop advocating for the removal of the choice for others to fly if thats how they enjoy playing.
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11/05/2018 06:18 PMPosted by OhenzoBesides, by the the time flying is released the new content will likely be "no fly" anyways.
Such blatant disregard for customer satisfaction and experience would never 'fly' in
the real workplace world. And the hubris demonstrated by developers who seem to not care in the least what their community thinks astounds me.
I see the writing on the wall.... KEY WORD IS NEW CONTENT we will be getting and we won't be able to fly in it.
Just like Timeless Island and Argus.
No matter how many people unsub (not just because of flying) but the whole lot of issues in the game now, blizzard still REFUSES to change.
I guess when you get under 100K in Subs it will be too late?
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Blizz is still butthurt that they couldn't remove flying. Patchfinder is ALWAYS to punish players
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11/05/2018 11:17 PMPosted by Charax11/05/2018 10:56 PMPosted by BromshowThe point he made about him flying does not affect you in almost any way is 99.99999999% true in almost every category WHICH YOU WILL NOT ACKNOWLEDGE.
I acknowledge that you are both wrong.
If a chunk of the population can farm more efficiently, theyâll have more time to spend on gearing activities.
The other chunk of the population that is less efficient will have less time for gearing activities and/or gold making activities.
When trying to access a raid spot or rated PvP spot, you ARE competing against other players for that spot. Itâs absurd to think that we arenât competing with other players.
If you donât think itâs a competition, agree to my proposal.
So what you're saying is that the entire game should be designed around the people who have the most limiting self-imposed restrictions.
If you have chosen to increase your travel time by your choice of mode of travel, that's on you. The nodes are still there waiting for you when you finally get there. The fact that people can and do RP walk everywhere should not mean that you can demand that all mounts and run speed be removed from the game.
Seriously, were you aware we can see your mounts, or is it that you weren't aware that the account you are posting on has 350 mounts?
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I think my only gripe with no flying now is I have a lot of flying mounts that look dumb on the ground. When 8.2 comes out it's prob 100% likely the new zone won't have flying which again means flying mounts will look dumb on the ground in that area.
Second gripe is it's timegated for entirely too long. There should be no Pathfinder 2.
Second gripe is it's timegated for entirely too long. There should be no Pathfinder 2.
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Keep raging cupcake. It won't change a thing.
11/05/2018 06:18 PMPosted by OhenzoBesides, by the the time flying is released the new content will likely be "no fly" anyways.
Such blatant disregard for customer satisfaction and experience would never 'fly' in
the real workplace world. And the hubris demonstrated by developers who seem to not care in the least what their community thinks astounds me.
And let me guess you are mad you have to grind for it too?
Raid finder hero is mad lol
11/06/2018 10:17 AMPosted by ZaranthosdkI'm just tired of being treated like a pile of crap instead of a valued customer, which is why my Blizzard games are uninstalled and I won't be purchasing sub time or games in the future unless this changes. You don't have to care about your customers, and your customers don't have to care about you either. Cya.
Seeya next week!
11/06/2018 11:25 AMPosted by DrolvargKeep raging cupcake. It won't change a thing.
Keep insulting your fellow players who help you support the game you seem to love so much. What good will that do? The community should spend a little more time trying to work together instead of all the us vs them battles that just tear down the community. I'm not sure why there is this undertone that says we have to all play the game a certain way and there's no room for differences of opinion or play style.
Blizzard is passive on most things, not proactive. Most change that doesn't fit their original plans is forced by player outrage. There are just too many things where they just blatantly ignore the outrage until it boils over to the point they can't ignore it.
There should probably be a place for no flying at the launch of expansions that's more PvP oriented with rewards that cater to PvP players. Right along side of that there should be flying at max level. What's wrong with making both sides happy instead of time gating fun to the point people just stop playing?
11/06/2018 11:38 AMPosted by AvaSeeya next week!
I played the first two weeks of BfA and then uninstalled WoW. I haven't played, or even logged in, since I can't with no client, for over two months. Nice try though. I won't be playing while pathfinder remains a time gate every expansion launch.
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11/06/2018 11:38 AMPosted by ZaranthosdkNice try though.
Where did I say you were playing?
Like they did in Burning Crusade? Or maybe an entire zone like Icecrown in WotLK? Or how about that hozen area up on the mountain in Valley of the Four Winds, and the islands off the coast of Dread Wastes in MoP?11/06/2018 05:53 AMPosted by MirakalHere's a thought, why don't they make flying specific combat/quests/etc and actually make it a true part of the game instead of just some side thing.
Not like they haven't done that before ....
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11/05/2018 06:32 PMPosted by OriennHow many threads are we going to see a day about this topic? The horse is deader.
Just like Classic was a dead horse too, huh?
Keep it up people, pathfinder was not a compromise, if it was, they would have offered the option to buy flying with gold along with it. It's petty revenge plain and simple. Make them eat crow without condiments.
That being said, I myself prefer pathfinder, as long as it's implemented in full at the launch of the expac, other wise, see above.
Semper Fi!
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Frankly, at this point, Flying is released for the people who like the freedom of flight purely for its own sake, NOT the people who just want the efficiency -- as you pointed out, the content that comes alongside Flying will not allow it, and the old content will be mostly meaningless to anyone who is caught up properly at that time.
I kind of agree with Blizzard's decision in this regard, but I think they need to work on making it a believable part of the world we're playing in, rather than an arbitrary time gate.
I propose "technically" allowing you to fly from the get-go, but spawn in patrol squads (ala the mounted guards above capital cities in EK/Kalimdor) to deal percentage damage and dismount you if you stay in the air for more than a few seconds. Similarly, any relevant enemy camp/town would have some sort of ranged means of dismounting you (with vastly increased vertical range). Snipers, net guns, cannons, whatever. This would apply to both opposite faction camps and non-beast NPC camps. Being dismounted by any of these systems would incur a cooldown on mounting again (say, ~30 seconds).
This way, it doesn't feel like you're restricted by Blizzard, but rather by the world.
The specifics could change depending on the zone/expansion/patch/whatever. In Legion, the Burning Legion controlled most of the continent and were actively pouring in via a massive portal still. They easily could have had their superior aerial presence dismounting us instead of arbitrarily saying we can't mount. Then, as we assault the Broken Shore and the Tomb of Sargeras, the other areas would suddenly be free to fly in, as that superior demonic presence could have been pulled back to assist (potentially still restricting flight in zones with an active Legion Invasion). In BfA, it would obviously just be the other faction, in terms of the automated spawn stuff, which could be alleviated by the Naga stuff in 8.2.
In any case, it would allow you to mount up, but flying would just get you slapped down. People would figure out pretty quick that it's more efficient to just stay on the ground until whatever presence slapping them down is lessened.
Suddenly it doesn't feel as arbitrary anymore.
Could also toss in some item that cloaks or otherwise protects you while flying for a short duration [with a notably longer cooldown] just to allow it in short bursts, but not for hopscotching your way to every objective. I'm thinking a minimum of 30 minute cooldown, probably more like an hour, for a couple minutes of protection. Alternatively, no cooldown, but require whatever item this is to be charged somehow. could be Azerite crap, could be an NPC that charges it for you if you bring them something -- either way, this would have to be some BoP resource earned by actual combat in a limited manner, not something rich people could hoard from the AH.
I kind of agree with Blizzard's decision in this regard, but I think they need to work on making it a believable part of the world we're playing in, rather than an arbitrary time gate.
I propose "technically" allowing you to fly from the get-go, but spawn in patrol squads (ala the mounted guards above capital cities in EK/Kalimdor) to deal percentage damage and dismount you if you stay in the air for more than a few seconds. Similarly, any relevant enemy camp/town would have some sort of ranged means of dismounting you (with vastly increased vertical range). Snipers, net guns, cannons, whatever. This would apply to both opposite faction camps and non-beast NPC camps. Being dismounted by any of these systems would incur a cooldown on mounting again (say, ~30 seconds).
This way, it doesn't feel like you're restricted by Blizzard, but rather by the world.
The specifics could change depending on the zone/expansion/patch/whatever. In Legion, the Burning Legion controlled most of the continent and were actively pouring in via a massive portal still. They easily could have had their superior aerial presence dismounting us instead of arbitrarily saying we can't mount. Then, as we assault the Broken Shore and the Tomb of Sargeras, the other areas would suddenly be free to fly in, as that superior demonic presence could have been pulled back to assist (potentially still restricting flight in zones with an active Legion Invasion). In BfA, it would obviously just be the other faction, in terms of the automated spawn stuff, which could be alleviated by the Naga stuff in 8.2.
In any case, it would allow you to mount up, but flying would just get you slapped down. People would figure out pretty quick that it's more efficient to just stay on the ground until whatever presence slapping them down is lessened.
Suddenly it doesn't feel as arbitrary anymore.
Could also toss in some item that cloaks or otherwise protects you while flying for a short duration [with a notably longer cooldown] just to allow it in short bursts, but not for hopscotching your way to every objective. I'm thinking a minimum of 30 minute cooldown, probably more like an hour, for a couple minutes of protection. Alternatively, no cooldown, but require whatever item this is to be charged somehow. could be Azerite crap, could be an NPC that charges it for you if you bring them something -- either way, this would have to be some BoP resource earned by actual combat in a limited manner, not something rich people could hoard from the AH.
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Flying: Why must we wait until 8.2?
Because if they add it in 8.1 You'll actually be able to fly. If they do it in 8.2 most of the expansion will be over and we will be in zones where you surely won't be able to fly.
11/05/2018 11:13 PMPosted by AsmoAgreed.11/05/2018 10:53 PMPosted by Velara...
So don't fly until you want to.
People who like flying don't have that option.
I'll do you one better. Let them turn flight off with a 30 day cooldown to turn it back on.
I'd love to see if anyone actually used it. BUT WPVP. Boo hoo you can dismount people.... again!
Since WPvP is now exclusively phased, Blizzard could disable flight.
Another option, is take one of the many empty servers and make it no flight only. Offer free transfers ON to that server. If you ever want off you can pay $$ to Blizzard for that service.
I say give the no-fliers what they want.
Give us fliers what we want.
Everyone happy.