That is a patently terrible idea.
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Nah, just make it available after hitting level cap. 
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you really want to see the people be stunned? Watcher makes a live stream and personally apologizes for his attempt to destroy everything that is fun in WoW makes a guarantee that flying will no longer require PF then makes one last announcement that he has resigned his position and will be leaving Blizzard
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I like this better. Thatâs the way it used to be anyway.
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Runs around with mason jar collecting tears of remove pathfinder crowd. <-Makes great stew base.
Me too! I am almost finished with my Legion Pathfinder (only Warden rep remaining), and I was eyeing WoD flight really hard and hoping to go spend time there. I was really sad they didnât include Draenor.
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Nice change for people that donât want to go back and earn WoD/Legion pathfinder. Iâve done them all and even did WoD on a second (current inactive) account.
Sounds like the door is open for people to just wait for flying to unlock without actually doing pathfinder. It may be a long wait, but the door is definitely open.
Itâs nice knowing that if I ever want to reactivate and play that account I wonât have a bunch of pathfinders to redo.
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MoP too (looking at you Emperor ShaohaoâŠ)
OopsâŠI slipped a banana peel on the floor.
Donât run around when there are hazards on the ground. Plus, I am Rogue and my class color is yellow so I can be trusted right? 
Should have kept it to level 50 before allowing flying in those expansions (and probably MoP as well)⊠though I will admit it probably gets a bit awkward considering that WotLK and Cata leveling zones all but require flying.
The leveling experience in those expansions were intended to be completed without flying, which should have been kept in somehow. Once you hit level 50, anything goes.
I would also advise getting rid of âPart 2â of any planned Pathfinder for Shadowlands itself, plus removing the reputation requirements. Keep it to the Loremaster and Explorer achievements only. Revising the achievement for BfA zones to fit that suggestion as well is also strongly advised.
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Another way flying sucks in PvP is that it makes small skirmishes less common. With people zooming around in the air at 320% speed looking for brawls to jump into, fights tend to gravitate toward drive-by ganks or the shardâs more populous faction ganging up on the sparser faction.
Also kind of annoying in that it allows more opportunism â assailants can float safely until conditions favor them. When everybodyâs grounded, with the exception of stealth if you want to kill you have to risk getting killed.
Good change! Please add WoD reps to the 100% rep bonus buff! I already have my PF and such, but this would be great for others! Since youâre saying WoD PF is not needed anymore, why not let them just get the rep quicker now?
Thanks!
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I hope he stays for a long time.
Reason?
If heâs that good at making the game unfun in a lot of ways, he just needs to adjust his motive in order to be just as good making the game fun.
His direction directly correlates to the directives he gets from the C-Suite. If they realize monetizing time instead of fun isnât the way the go, I want Ion there to see those changes play out⊠because heâs a good director.
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Yes, please discontinue Part 2 if nothing else. Make the unlocks progressive as new zones are added.
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As someone that does not have pathfinder in WoD or Legion, I welcome this change. Thank you very much!
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I support PF.
I donât think youâre correct on either point. Even PF supporters generally agree that old expansion content should be unlocked (similar to how theyâve removed Cold Weather Flying and other âexpansion exclusiveâ flight purchases and just have the base purchase for the ability). Having to go back to do Draenor and Legion PFs at this point is just silly.
BFA PF is fine to keep since all new players will have to quest there anyway while leveling so they will generally get it for just leveling (I would say that the rep requirements and all of Part 2 should be removed, just keep the âloremasterâ and exploration pieces).
I donât think as many people left because of PF as you think have. And we have zero clue, nor can we find out in any way, which one of us is correct. I believe that there are other factors that weigh much more heavily on people leaving, not returning, or simply not trying the game such as age, daunting number of levels (which is being fixed), class balance (we can still hope), and general negativity from current players.
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I donât even mind the idea of pathfinder but the time gated rep grinds required for it are absolutely awful. They should find other achievements to lock pathfinder behind than a time gated monotonous daily grind imo.
Regardless, this change is really good for those who didnât play or didnât have the time to grind during those expansions.
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Personally I feel that pathfinder was good idea. It dose made the content zone bit dangerous and landscape were beautiful from the ground. That being said I think that pathfinder part 1 should allow you to fly and add anti flyer npc to stop you from flying from the area where itâs patrolling like NâZoth worm for example. Pathfinder part 2 start the quest to kill that anti flyer npc and rewarded you clear sky and awesome mount
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Going forward will the old expansions not require pathfinder also?