So… the class that’s a dragonkin cannot seamlessly swap into flight mode and fly like a druid?! What gives… I should be able to cast soar on the move/falling and it should be insta! Thanks Blizz <3
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Oh look, another thread complaining that a racial active isn’t the same as a class ability.
These are not the same things, nor were they ever promised to be.
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Worgen don’t cast running wild instantly either, and all they have to do is bend over.
At least dracthyr get a free upward boost, whereas everyone else would need to expend a vigor.
I would personally rather have the ability to land without it ending and use it as a ground mount in areas where flying is not possible. Could just use the same animation as hover when on the ground.
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I think a good compromise would be being able to cast it while falling. So at least if you are in the air you can save yourself. Or maybe the cast time becomes instant if you are already using glide.
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Why does this matter? Why do you think that your opinion of this difference disqualifies it? Who put you in charge of saying what could and couldn’t be equated?
What difference does a racial ability and a class ability make in this specific context? This could just as easily be monks asking for their floaty cloud thing to be faster and act like a flying mount (which would be cool and it should do that) why does that matter? It confers no combat power and is purely a flavor and convenience thing. So why have you decided that because DRUID is a class and DRACTHYR are a race… that it matters? It doesn’t.
You’re getting real good at being contrarian my dude.
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This has nothing to do with me having any knowledge or authority, lol. Racial abilities and class abilities are distinctly separate things with different power allocations.
A class having an ability that also includes using wings doesn’t mean that every race with wings should have access to it.
This is simply someone comparing apples to oranges saying that we should have a racial ability that performs exactly like a class ability.
As someone else stated, it performs similarly to worgen’s Running Wild, which also has a cast time. If that were instant and soar were not, now we’re comparing apples to apples and that’s a fair criticism.
Should druids get Glide just because they have a flight form with wings?
Simply having wings doesn’t mean that we are entitled to literally any other benefit that any other class/race with wings has, lol.
Being logical isn’t being contrarian, but you brand it however you want. You constantly disagreeing with me for not agreeing with someone is also contrarian🤯.
It’s okay for people to disagree on the forums.
Relax.
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I mean… you have glide.
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Since Druid Flight Form is going live today with “Skyriding” enabled, I think it’s time to remove the cast time and CD of Soar. Both the druid class and Dracthyr race have the ability to shift between forms instantly. I went on several Dracthyr class quests that reinforce the idea of shifting forms being an expression of the Dracthyr identity. If I can fly in this form, I don’t see why I have to have a cooldown or a cast bar, when a druid doesn’t.
TOO LONG HAS THE DRUID RULED THE SKIES AND THE HERB FARMING; DRAGON HYBRIDS SHOULD BE ABLE TO DOMINATE AS WELL!! Dragon > birb.
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I’m fine with how Soar is now. It doesn’t have to work exactly like druid form.
That said, it isn’t perfect. Some things could be improved to make it more immersive:
- Remove the 10-second CD
- It should work like a mount. Most of the time, the 10-second CD is fine. But if you’re gathering or mining, it can be a pain.
- Allow the evoker to activate it instantly while falling and not in combat
- The cast time while taking off is fine, but it feels odd that you can’t spread your wings and convert from glide to fly while already in the air.
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You being contrarian in almost every single post you post is what makes you contrarian.
You are aware that you can just choose not to post your opinion in every single post on the Evoker forums, right?
My positions/opinions don’t change just to be contrary; that’s not contrarian-it’s opinionated, lol
My opinions just generally disagree with the same redundant posts about 3-4 total topics and have remained the same. I don’t simply disagree no matter the topic.
You are aware that I can also choose to, right?
Again, you can ignore me if you don’t like it. Won’t even hurt my feelings.
Ok.
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Arcade, I understand your point that racial abilities and class abilities are distinct and were never intended to be equivalent. However, the case of the Dracthyr and the Evoker class is unique. Unlike other classes, the Evoker is intrinsically tied to a single race—the Dracthyr. This makes the Dracthyr’s racial abilities functionally similar to class abilities for Evokers, as there is no choice but to play this race if you wish to play the class.
Considering the Dracthyr’s lore, being descendants of dragons, it seems odd that such a powerful lineage would be limited by a cooldown when it comes to something as fundamental as flight. The fact that we need to “muster our strength” before using our wings to fly feels counterintuitive and a bit underwhelming for a race with such a prestigious background. It would be more fitting if the ability to fly was more seamlessly integrated, reflecting the inherent power and grace of a dragon descendant.
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Dracthyr will soon have more classes than just evoker. And there is no way they’re giving a bunch of classes sudden access to an instant cast flight form.
One of the reasons soar had the initial limitations that it did was because they said "they do not want people to ever feel like they must play a specific class or race, and that having one race and class be able to use dragonriding out in the world while all others couldn’t was not something they were going to do.
They got rid of that limitation when dragonriding came to the rest of azeroth.
It is the way it is because of gameplay mechanics. Lore has nothing to do with it. If they ever decide to do away with mount cast times all together you’ll probably see it for soar as well. But i wouldn’t hold my breath.
i could get on board with it being castable while falling but it’s not terribly necessary since there’s no way we would ever fall to our death anyway.
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I understand the balance concerns about giving multiple classes access to an instant cast flight form. However, it’s important to note that the Evoker class has unique talents that specifically buff its “racial” abilities, unlike any other class. This further blurs the line between class and racial abilities for Dracthyr/Evoker.
The initial limitations on Soar made sense when dragonriding was exclusive, but with its expansion to all of Azeroth, these restrictions seem outdated. Given that the Evoker class can enhance its racials through talents, the argument that Soar should remain limited because it’s a racial ability holds less weight. In practice, Soar functions more like a class-specific ability, much like the Druid’s flight form, which doesn’t disrupt game balance.
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To be fair, this is entirely due to dracthyr and evoker being exclusive to each other, which they won’t be soon.
We’re likely to see some changes to that once it opens to other classes.
I am pretty sure the reason we have a cooldown at all is because of the basically free vigor point when get on use. Mind you, I would happily get rid of that free point to gain no cooldown and have it just put us in a mounted state so we do not have to launch up each time. I would also kill for the ability to fall off a ledge and still use Soar. Heh, still find it funny they had a Dracthyr doing just that in one of the trailers. Ran off a ledge in Valdrakken and fell into Soar.
All that said though, in the end I am just happy that it is at least functional skyriding now. Once I am up I can stay up, and it functions perfectly fine as a mount for the most part. It is so much better than what it started as.
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Evoker isn’t opening up so I don’t see why the class tree would change at all.
Because there are several classes that will become beyond broken with swipe and buffet on the cd they have currently.
What’s that got to do with the evoker class tree. Say they put the cooldown to 2 or even 3 minutes. Or made them shared cooldown. Why would that do anything to the few talents evokers have in the class tree? Unless you think they would completely nix them as racials