Short simple versions so it’s understood completely…is their a Mount called Druid form in your pet journal? No. Cause mounts are collected but druid forms are not it is a magical ability. If they are on ground they go regular ground mount speed of %100 and susceptible all CC outside obviously poly and damage ability. More importantly gap closer abilities, you guys don’t Wpvp and getting flabbergasted about common elements in world PvP. The net o matic is good for a 100yds, and if you let a druid you can cast on get away its your own fault. Maybe you should stick to arenas or BGs where your targets can’t escape you with your limited ingenuity and imagination.
It works like a flying mount though. They can’t use flight form indoors and travel form indoors just like how they can’t mount indoors.
You’re trying to be nitpick at the tooltip. Matter of the fact is, every dismount item in the game has always been usable on druids. The Net-o-Matic can be used on a druid, don’t get me wrong. The bug, however, is when they touch the ground in flight form. They’re not recognized as a flying mount anymore, therefore the net can’t be used in them.
Not really. Yes, it’s 100 yards… The problem is a druid can touch the ground while the net is traveling to them and it’ll completely negate it. Honestly I don’t want to speak with you anymore because I’m convinced you’re a troll.
You’re clearly not understanding the purpose of the Net-o-Matic. It’s to combat flying, whether that be druid form or mounts.
I smell a Druid In disguise…WHAT ARE YOU HIDING?!
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Haha trolling lol, if he is on the ground and not flying why would the net o matic work when it doesn’t meet the conditions for it to work lmao?!? I’m sorry baffling to me how you guys think you can change what the item is meant for. Let’s put it simply AGAIN smh…now this time i will get you to understand hopefully.
The Druid is not a Mount we have established this, common sense ok? It is a animal form like bear, cat, we ok there so far I hope. Now let’s talk about the ability you want them to be knocked out of form while they are on the GROUND …this ability they use is called Travel Form. This form has multiple forms depending on where they are, you in the water it’s a specific form, while on ground you in a another form, and if you in the air you in a flying form, we good so far with that assessment?
Ok obvious things aside, I know what’s next though but Mc these dudes just take Travel form and fly close to the ground!!! Aha their is the rub isn’t it, but as I stated before the item as stated is specific to Dismounting people on FLYING MOUNTS which I repeat druid isn’t a Mount in the first place. But Blizzard compensates for this by letting it effect them only when flying as it should be as also the intended purpose for the item this specific “item”, not other versions of similar items.
side note here coding purposes I assume if it took them out of travel form may bug cheetah and seal forms which is basically same ability and end up being broken and stealing one of druids biggest defensive abilities their mobility. Which obviously not fair and may end up bugging unnecessarily.
Back to what i was saying the point of the whole item is to get them on ground and if you world PvP enough you will have enough sense to realize if you’re alone most classes aren’t going to catch a good druid easily if at all if they determined to run away in wpvp. Also, little do you know it is actually another side of it “Like Flying Mounts” their speed I said is reduced to %100 like a regular ground mount when om actual ground. What more can you cry about?! I can see if they were on ground using %310 speed, ok that would be ridiculous and need looking at. There is nothing druids are doing that messes up what the item intended for they not in air, check. They are on ground moving at %100 speed like cheetah form which would be no different than knocking them out of that at that point.
Scenarios, when is this a problem? What’s the situation you find where you can’t catch the druid in flight form. If they are flying and you caught them unawares hovering, it works. If they see you coming 40yds+ away, likely they would have gotten away anyway even if you managed to somehow get off net which means they would be at least by that point 70+ yards away, and you would be obviously not on your mount unable to mount again for a couple seconds cause using Net O Matic puts you in combat and they would just fly away alot further out from you than initially unless they landed around mobs that keep them in combat till you get there. A druid flying toward you and gets close enough to use net o matic, which would likely mean they are significantly close cause would be stupid generally to fly to ground to evade net cause as I said they would then deathgrip, slow, cc’d in all kinds of ways making it thousand times easier to get a net off. So if they further out and trying to evade net say 60yards away they could easily fly up or out enough to make it hard for you to get them when they get grounded if net goes off.
Talking about a lot of numbers here the Net has a cast time okay let’s say 2.5s cast generally on a fast flying mount you cover say 30 yards in that time. Fastest way to any point is straight down, correct? It would be in a druid best interest to react really fast to someone with a net, and most if we being honest try flying straight up. Why? 2 reasons if they fly high enough even if net goes off and they not attacked mid fall if they drop out of combat before hitting ground they can fly form instantly fly up again. Other reaction which is just as common is to fly away from the assailant for reasons I stated earlier so if net goes off you have a chance to run away stealth or just fly off again before they can attack you.
Now this scenario where you have druids getting Net aimed at them and are immediately spiraling toward ground before it goes off to avoid net has a couple issues that have are quite glaring issues. 1 being yes they get to ground faster but you aren’t putting distance hardly between you and the assailant flying straight down plus gambling the fact that if a druid is even remotely off the ground despite the flying animation when they move on ground they will be netted and put into caster form. Plus most classes only need to get in 40 yards of you to use abilities which going to screw that druid quickly. Monk closes uses paralysis, run close to you while you in flight form. They can slow you like a warrior, mage etc can and use gap closer to get in range where only two things will happen. You keep messing around slowed trying to fly away and get hit with Net cause you can’t get down fast enough to avoid it. You manage to make it to ground but you are not flying speed but ground mount speed. And during that time you flew straight down to the ground they were B lining right toward you. So unless they stood still while you were headed directly to ground they are on top of you now and you end up in previous scenario. And the
Druids can’t do anything in travel form and so they eat a lot of damage mean time. And if someone closes gap and they decent escape without coming out of travel form will be impossible cause closer they are the harder it is to escape Net, cause one slow you touch ground you will be like a slowed ground mount you fly up you got 2.5s to get right down before you knocked to ground and out of form. Did I mention the flying form is effected by these slows as Well lol? Another thing, a lot of you firing off at max range are going to nail a stationary flying druid, unless they see you and have pretty good eyesight and reaction time. So assumes since i doubt most people issues are happening up close and personal they not using there abilities properly to ensnare druid which you learn in world PvP. Sneaking up on people best way to catch them, everyone HIP to Net now so if a druid hovering somewhere and see this Warlock headed toward them they are generally going to fly immediately put of net range and truth be told it would be extremely rare for their first thought fly straight to ground.
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Disregarding which side of the argument anyone is on, there is clearly an unintended bug.
If flight form is not supposed to be considered a “mount” in regards to the net-o-matic, then the bug is that net-o-matic works on them when they are in the air.
If flight form is supposed to be considered a “mount” in regards to the net-o-matic, then the bug is that net-o-matic is not working when they are on the ground yet still in flight form (like a player is on the ground but still on a flying mount).
Regardless of the intended design, there is a bug.
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Skipped reading this passage out my book like a boss…guess that’s your story and you sticking to it regardless what anyone says how nice.
The part that tries to skirt around the issue of basic software quality assurance?
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What you complaining about now, your laptop? Lol
Best I can see from your novel is that you think an in-game item’s tool-tip is not doing what it’s stated to do. And you seem to have some fluid idea of what the item considers a “flying mount” based on whether they are on the ground or in the air. Yet you then also seem to define a mount based on whether it is in your collections tab. You’re pretty much all over the map, and trying to gloss of the basic definition of what a software bug is.
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Points for effort but not all over the place we are talking about druids, their flying forms im wpvp and the effect of net o matic in those situations. Gave you plenty details and examples to get point across it’s working as intended far as druids go.
Item considers flying mounts exactly that “flying mounts” where’s the bug in that? Can call a Dragonfly and airplane, won’t change the fact just cause it flies it isn’t. Lot of time in life we want things as we think they should rather than as they are. And my whole point which you got wrong in very first sentence is the item in game tooltip is working exactly as it intended on FLYING MOUNTS, but they have a coding to effect druids who are flying properly not the form itself which isn’t the issue because “flying” id the issue, simple stuff to me lol.
According to half of your logic, the bug is that flight form isn’t a flying mount but net-o-matic works on it.
Regardless of what is happening behind the scenes, it is still a bug. The tooltip of the item states one thing, but behaves another way. If a Skype button says “end call” but instead of just ending the call it closes Skype entirely, that’s not working as intended just because the call technically ended with Skype closed. Any reasoning that a developer has about why that happens also doesn’t make it not a bug. I speak from experience of developers trying things like that on me during my time as a tester. They would send back a bug as “no fix needed” with an explanation of why the bug happens, not actually addressing that it shouldn’t be happening or that the information presented to the user is not accurate.
Changes nothing facts are facts, more importantly the letter of the law is always stronger than the spirit of it. If they wanted to be technical and speak of this as bug, naturally impart to what i have explained to you, the Net itself should and would be rendered useless on a Druid in flying form because it’s not a “Flying Mount” if you get want to be specific.
I’m telling you under those very same conditions they are the intelligence enough to not let that let Druids slip totally under the radar and see it it that it did in fact at least knock druids out of flight form when they are mid air. How do you justify that? Well think of it like you shooting a net at a bird mid fly, they get tangled up falls to ground.
So you keep repeating its a bug…alternative then fairly would be to not have it effect Flight Form druids at all since they don’t fall under criteria of being a flying mount. And I’m sure people will love that lol.
Here’s what I dislike about your arguments so far, Mcfaceroller. You seem to ignore the whole point of Net-o-Matic. You don’t seem to understand what the item does. It wraps the target in a net. Tell me, how the hell can a bird fly, even if they’re on the ground, if a net is wrapped around them?
Here’s what I don’t understand. You realize that there are many mounts in the game that have in their tooltip, “This mounts speed changes based off of your riding skill and your location” right?
You’re saying that a druid should be considered a ground mount even if they’re in flight form if they’re touching the ground. Which begs the question, why don’t other players also have this? There are many mounts that also are at 100% mount speed when they’re touching the ground, so why can they be dismounted?
That’s the problem. This is a bug. As I’ve told you before, items such as the Salt-Hardened Shell which dismounted players in Legion also worked on Druids. They considered druids flight form a mount, they still do.
Easy stuff here let’s get to it. First I understand where you all seem to not quite grasp. I repeat it’s intended purpose is to be able to knock players off flying mounts to engage in PvP thus it putting them in combat initially after usage. Also, if you catch a druid in air has I stated numerous times it knocks them from sky as intended like a normal net does, right? YES! OK if you throw a new on a hawk on the ground…so what? What is supposed to happen then? They are already on the ground lmao, what more you want which gets into other thing I was talking abput you wanting them to knock druids out of form which it is not the purpose for the Net anyway or it would work on cheetah form or seal form in water which would be broken on druids.
Here we go again screaming Mounts Mounts and comparing Flight Forms a magical druid shape shifting ability to actual animal people collect to ride lol. You druid flight form, maybe like the Chauffeur mount you get at lower levels they could make a druid one so when you knock someone off it we can feel better cause it falls under the proper criteria. Why can they be dismounted I don’t know maybe cause they a flying mount that the item was intended to dismount people off of in the first place maybe lol? End of the day Druid isn’t a Mount.
This is a bug only if you mean that it’s intended targets “Flying Mounts” effects them at all which by definition it should not. But as I said, be glad Blizz didn’t let the druids off sky free literally and able to completely by pass the risk of the Net O Matic making them susceptible. Thus really isn’t a problem and if it is it’s a good one for everyone else and the shaft for the druids who getting knocked down unfairly by definition of the item used on them.
Furthermore, if you actually read tooltip for Salt Hardened Shell you will see it dismount targets, whereas Net O Matic is by definition specifically intended for flying mounts.
And that’s the bottom line cause Stone Cold Mcfaceroller said so☠
Right, and I’m saying that’s then a bug. If the letter of the law is stronger, then the communicated and literal interpretation of this tooltip would make the fact that you can net a druid in flight form a bug.
Oh, so they are in fact ignoring the letter of the law to enforce the spirit of the law, by allowing the net to trap something that is not technically a mount to be netted because it functions like a flying mount. So if the net is supposed to behave as if flight form is in fact a flying mount, then it should behave in the same way as a when a person on a flying mount is the target. Which would mean that net should work on flight form druids who are on the ground.
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You guys have got to stop arguing with the shaman. He has to be trolling you. It’s definitely a bug. Don’t feed the trolls!
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Bump. Still needs to be fixed or addressed.
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You still can’t kill that one Druid can you?
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