Posting this here because Blizz doesn’t care about the pvp forums (or general either smh.) I already made this thread and had like 7 paragraphs written and my pc decided to crash so here we go again I guess.
Random bgs are in an awful spot for anyone new to the game/new to pvp/ on an alt. You and your team can all be new pvpers/alts with 28k health. The enemy team can be a full premade of 259 geared pvpers with 55k health. This is an extreme example but it happens all the time. Bgs are purely gear checks. If you team has less gear, you lose. No amount of skill can make up for every enemy player doing 2x your damage and having 10k+ more health. And it’s never even a “close” loss. If the enemy team has gear, they will farm you at your gy the entire match. This isn’t new, but you’ll see why this is a huge issue in current pvp.
Let’s take my Hunter. I leveled it and then geared entirely though bgs. For a week straight when I didn’t have gear, I got destroyed. Every match. Checking my combat log and seeing “aimed shot 38k” “Execute 22k” “pyroblast 24k.” Just nothing but one shots. This isn’t a skill issue. Put a rank one glad on a fresh 60 against a Duelist in Duelist gear and they will lose 100/100 times. You cannot outskill someone when you hit them for 1/50’th of what they hit you for.
Now onto part of the reason pvp gearing is awful. Honor gear. The best a new pvper can hope for for a long time. Weapons are huge for pvp, so let’s look at that. A 2h honor weapon at base level is 177 (213) in pvp. It costs 1800 honor. To then RANK IT UP 6 MORE TIMES COSTS MORE THAN THE HONOR CAP! A bg win is about 1100 honor. A loss is 250 honor. if you win 50% of your bgs, it’s around 26 bgs to fully rank up ONE item. EACH ITEM CAN BE UPGRADED 7/7. And at the max level, it is 233 i-level in pvp. Not bad! Actually it is. Let’s talk why bgs are overrun with high i-level pvpers.
So Conquest gear comes from conquest, obviously. But you need honor (and ranked pvp rating) to actually level it up. You get some honor from ranked pvp, but not enough to keep up. This leads high rated pvpers in high level pvp gear into random bgs/skirms going for fast and easy honor. It’s very common to queue into a random bg and face a premade of 245+ geared pvpers. There is no way to win. It’s shooting fish in a barrel. You can’t even hit anyone on their team before you’ve been one shot. For anyone new to pvping/casual pvpers/alts this is a nightmare. Why would anyone do pvp if it’s like this? Because for us new pvpers, it’s the only way to get gear. Here is how we fix this.
All honor gear remains at the same honor cost. But all ranks are gone. It is 233 in pvp when you buy it. There is no reason for pvp gear to have so much i-level disparity and jumping through hoops in satan’s circus. Another option. ALL pvp gear is scaled to 245 in unranked pvp. ALL pve gear is scaled to 225 in unranked pvp. Pvpers have to deal with our gear being garbage in pve. Pve gear should be garbage in pvp. Finally, remove conquest gear needing honor to rank up. You already need a ranked pvp rating to upgrade conq gear. Needing honor is just another way of making us play more for no reason.
I already know blizz is keeping it like this for player engagement metrics. Who cares if us plebs are getting farmed for 80 hours trying to gear our characters to step into ranked pvp as long as it’s 80 hours we’re playing. But pvers try to understand. Starting pvp is like if you had to go from leveling gear straight into +15s with your entire group always being 190 i-level. There needs to be a better way to gear in pvp. That is all
