Fix the old content

[Ðirestorm-goldrinn]

@Yasudra-malorne

If you want difficult old raids and dungeons, classic servers and timewalking are there for you.

Classic is very important for people that want to relive vanila, and timewalking is a big step in a good direction, but its not enough.

@Yasudra-malorne

As to the subject of old raids being more difficult, this has happened every time Blizz has done a ilvl squish. They eventually add a player buff to make it right. I’m hoping they do the same here.

The dificulty increase from the squish is a bug and will probably be fixed, they clearly tried to scale it to keep it the same.

@Elenstelle-moon-guard

This sounds good but doesn’t really work in practice without insane levels of maintenance.

The scaling tech is already done and they seem to be able to use it very easily.

@Elenstelle-moon-guard

Classes have changed considerably over time, raid mechanics that were once difficult are now cheeseable and some just don’t work anymore.

I understand what you are saying but I think its not as big of an issue as you think. Timewalking dungeons and raids seem to be playable with no issue every time they are up, seems like they are pretty good at it, and it doesn’t look like something that require much work to keep going.

@Lilhopper-moon-guard

oh! i got an easy fix for this then: wear lower-level gear when facing the boss you wanna fight. that way, it’s more challenging for you, and people can still 1-shot them if they want.

Oh so I can have a 0.1% chance to drop a mount that had 100% drop chance in the past? I don’t think I would be able to form a group to do this. And you probably one shot it even while naked.

@Lilhopper-moon-guard

heck, back in WoD, me and my buddy would fight the lich-king… mind you, we were still level 90-ish, and our gear was crap, so we still had to do a couple mechanics, and mash the heck out of our abilities. should be an easy fix for ya then.

Yeah that is not enough.

@Shadina-gorefiend

I’m actually in total disagreement with this. I much prefer going back and being able to blow up old raids without a problem. That’s fun for me. I already tackle hard content all the time in current content. Not everything has to be super hard or annoying.

Sure, it doesn’t need to be super hard, but currently it has 0 dificulty and it is supper annoying due to the lower drop rates.

@Totesmlotes-thrall

Because you refuse to acknowledge how popular transmog runs really are.

I’m not asking transmog runs to be removed, I’m asking transmog runs to have their dificulty preserved and restored to their original values. There is no reason why transmog runs need to get exponentially easier with every patch. One shotting bosses is too much.

@Totesmlotes-thrall

You’re still wrong but that’s ok.

Yes, keep telling yourself that.

@Escoger-laughing-skull

You’re claiming that a bunch of people will want to do the old raids once they’re max level, but why?

Because they are fun and have good rewards (assuming that the drop rates are restored)

@Escoger-laughing-skull

If the gear isn’t equal in power to the difficulty, not many people will want to do them. Where is this giant group of people who will suddenly join to do old raids that don’t offer good gear coming from?

From the fact that the drop rates will be restored.

@Escoger-laughing-skull

Why would those players enjoy their play style being ripped from under them?

Because their content is harmful to the game. Rewards that were once meaningful are now just simbles of boredom. Great raids that were challenging and interesting are now just overrewarding walking simulators, and the only reason anyone would defend their current state is because they mistakenly see it as less of a chore.

@Escoger-laughing-skull

You keep saying this will fix the game but where is the actual evidence of this?

The broken state of old raids is evidence enough.

@Silvine-magtheridon

No. the content is soloable because it is irrelevant.

It is irrelevant because it is soloable.

@Silvine-magtheridon

also, there are some people whose gameplay is mostly farming old content for these collectables. they enjoy it,

Yes, and i’m sure they will be able to keep collecting by doing interesting content with a much higher drop chance.

@Silvine-magtheridon

and if that weren’t in the game, then they’d possibly not be playing, leaving the game in a worse state than it is now.

And I bet many people left the game because the raids they loved are no longer playable, they are just overrewarding walking simulators.

@Silvine-magtheridon

as a counter to your solution, how about we keep the old content soloable with the current drop rates, but add an updated and scaled up version of it with higher drop chances on the cosmetics. like, say, 5% or 10%. still far from guaranteed, but gives more reason to do it, where as it otherwise wouldn’t be able to contend with the current raid tier.

I can see this working. But the drop rates should be the original 100% ones. But it is still not ideal, just a big step in the right direction.

[Shadina-gorefiend (Shadina)]

@Ðirestorm-goldrinn

Sure, it doesn’t need to be super hard, but currently it has 0 dificulty and it is supper annoying due to the lower drop rates.

I disagree. I don’t find it annoying if I don’t get something.

[Ðirestorm-goldrinn]

You might be ok with it but I’m clearly not.

[Shadina-gorefiend (Shadina)]

The nature of this game is RNG has an aspect. You will never 100% get something you want unless it is specifically designed to have it happen that way. Mage towers, challenge modes, PVP elite mogs - these are all awards you can work toward in which you will 100% get the thing you want if you fulfill the criteria. There is no way to make old raids give you something you guaranteed want in any manner of difficulty when mythic raiding itself (which is the most difficult form of content in the game) doesn’t have a 100% chance to give you what you want either. You’ll be fine.

[Totesmlotes-thrall]

@Ðirestorm-goldrinn

I’m not asking transmog runs to be removed,

Yes you are.

@Ðirestorm-goldrinn

I’m asking transmog runs to have their dificulty preserved and restored to their original values.

Which removes solo transmog runs.

@Ðirestorm-goldrinn

There is no reason why transmog runs need to get exponentially easier with every patch

Yes there is. I keep telling you but you refuse to acknowledge it. Power progression.

@Ðirestorm-goldrinn

One shotting bosses is too much

In old content? No, that’s fine.

[Lilhopper-moon-guard]

dude, if they increased the droprate it will defeat the rareness of the mounts. imagine invincible going back up to 100% for folks who get in a group. suddenly, one of the rarest mounts in the game, becomes just another mount folks can get.

i understand you want a harder version of older content, but just cause you want that does’nt make you entitled to some of the rarest mounts in the game. not saying your entitled, just saying if you think completing an old raid with bit more difficulty means you deserve the mount, then your running the old raids for the wrong reasons.

you wanna grind-out a mount? 30 110- er… 45+'s a week. that’s what i did. got me arthas’s horse.

[Zelestriana-wyrmrest-accord]

Get back under your bridge troll.

[Ðirestorm-goldrinn]

@Shadina-gorefiend

The nature of this game is RNG has an aspect. You will never 100% get something you want unless it is specifically designed to have it happen that way. Mage towers, challenge modes, PVP elite mogs - these are all awards you can work toward in which you will 100% get the thing you want if you fulfill the criteria. There is no way to make old raids give you something you guaranteed want in any manner of difficulty when mythic raiding itself (which is the most difficult form of content in the game) doesn’t have a 100% chance to give you what you want either. You’ll be fine.

There are lots of things that are 100% drops. Mythic jaina drops 2 mounts for example guaranteed.

@Totesmlotes-thrall

Which removes solo transmog runs.

It doesn’t. Transmog runs don’t need to be godmode.

@Totesmlotes-thrall

Yes there is. I keep telling you but you refuse to acknowledge it. Power progression.

Yes, you keep telling but it is no justification. The player does not get canonically exponentially more powerful. It is just a bad game mechanic.

@Totesmlotes-thrall

In old content? No, that’s fine.

Its not.

@Lilhopper-moon-guard

dude, if they increased the droprate it will defeat the rareness of the mounts. imagine invincible going back up to 100% for folks who get in a group. suddenly, one of the rarest mounts in the game, becomes just another mount folks can get.

Sigh, this was the original drop rate, it doesn’t matter if it get rarer or more common, that is the reward for the challenge.

@Lilhopper-moon-guard

i understand you want a harder version of older content, but just cause you want that does’nt make you entitled to some of the rarest mounts in the game.

I’m not claiming to be entitled to anything, I just want the old content to be preserved instead of nerfed to oblivion by power inflation. I want the rewards to be the same and the dificulty of the fights to be about the same.

@Lilhopper-moon-guard

not saying your entitled, just saying if you think completing an old raid with bit more difficulty means you deserve the mount, then your running the old raids for the wrong reasons.

I’m saying that clearing the content like it was intended should give you the intended reward.

@Lilhopper-moon-guard

you wanna grind-out a mount? 30 110- er… 45+'s a week. that’s what i did. got me arthas’s horse.

Yes, but I don’t want to play walking simulator, i want to play the raid like it was intended and get the reward, which is the mount.

@Zelestriana-wyrmrest-accord

Get back under your bridge troll.

Make me

[Boomdoggle-zuljin]

So remove access to all old content by making it entirely unplayable. Why not just remove the “world” from “world of warcraft”? Would that make you feel all special snowflakey enough? Maybe if you removed all other players so you could play wow as a single player game…?

I know! Nobody should ever have anything to do!

[Elenstelle-moon-guard (Elenstelle)]

And it takes considerable effort to get one Timewalking raid set up, let alone dozens upon dozens of raids through out the history of WoW. There’s a reason we get so few of them as opposed to all of them in a given expansion. Time spent retrofitting past content is time spent not working on everything else.

[Totesmlotes-thrall]

@Ðirestorm-goldrinn

It doesn’t.

It does.

@Ðirestorm-goldrinn

Transmog runs don’t need to be godmode.

Yes you do.

@Ðirestorm-goldrinn

Yes, you keep telling but it is no justification.

@Ðirestorm-goldrinn

Its not.

Certainly is.

[Shadina-gorefiend (Shadina)]

@Ðirestorm-goldrinn

There are lots of things that are 100% drops. Mythic jaina drops 2 mounts for example guaranteed.

For the duration of an expansion. Then they go to -1% drops. Bad example.