Fix BM.... this is pathetic

When the hero talents were announced and everyone was so excited, I was not… i knew it was going to be a nightmare because of balancing and naturally its the class I love and play the most that is being neglected.

As a BM hunter pack leader should be BiS in all forms of content AoE and ST, nothing screams BM like the pack leader tree. Dark ranger should be the choice for MM hunter, but we are forced into taking it because its either take dark ranger and do aoe dmg with blackarrow/bleak powder or get beat by the tanks.

Theres a massive problem when a button that adds bloat and clunkiness to the spec is our only source of aoe dmg(black arrow). BM has always been a simple spec, use multishot to activate beast cleave, spam kill command and maintain 3 stacks of frenzy via barbed shot… these “aoe buffs” have me baffled… buffs to barbed shot, buffs to multishot damage, it has me scratching my head and wondering if the people making these changes have even played the spec, buffing a skill that does 0 dmg is a 0% increase, its literally to command our pets to start cleaving and start doing aoe damage…

you guys need to give it a rest on black arrow, and start focusing on the talent tree that was actually meant for bm hunter (pack leader) and make it viable in AoE scenarios, im sick and tired of seeing shamans and paladins running around rediculously over powered, and BM is over here getting nerfed, like are u kidding me? all we had was our ST now we dont even have that… were getting beat by ret paladins now and are middle of the pack for single target, how is it okay for every single shaman spec dps and heals to be s+ tier but bm isnt allowed to be in the top 3 for ST, while doing absolutely 0 aoe damage.

The solution is simple, take another look at the pack leader tree and give bm hunters no choice but to take that tree with insane pet synergies and buffs to pet damage that only a bm would take, MM can have dark arrow, balancing BM around dark arrow and the dark ranger talent tree is a joke, and its almost as bad as buffing multi-shot to increase our aoe damage.

My suggested changes
Remove multi-shot and beast cleave from our talent tree, the same way you made starfall baseline for balance druid, it will free up 2 points for us and we will actually be able form a decent build that does not only aoe dmg, but some ST damage aswell. The fact we have to use talent points to gain access to our lackluster beast cleave damage is a joke, that should have been baseline from the start. With this change we will be able to pick up talents like “training expert” or maybe even those fancy new cobra shot talents that nobody takes except in pure ST raid.

Vicious hunt needs a rework, if black arrow is the only source of aoe damage vicious hunt needs to be competitive and it needs to make our pets do a slashing strike causing aoe damage, and this damage needs to be increased vs a single target.

I look forward to seeing these changes in the next patch, if not i think im done with wow, 3 months doing tank aoe damage is a joke, and i refuse to play black arrow

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No, because then there’s no point in having multiple hero specs.

Also they are both close enough that you can realistically play the one you like more in almost any content.

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theyre not close at all, i do double the damage in aoe with black arrow, on big mdi pulls its closer to 10x the aoe damage and none of that damage is hunter abilities its pure black arrow/bleak powder

Yea, that speaks more to your inability to play the class/spec rather than the spec itself being bad.

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theres logs all over the place, if u want to troll go troll somewhere else, we dropped like 8 spots… the spec is garbage and has been since launch, and pack leader is fully passive so if i didnt know how to play the spec i wouldnt be doing 10x better with the more difficult spec, black arrow is a literal bandaid solution to aoe damage, theyre not even remotely close

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Personally i think hero talents shoulda been,
Packleader - BM
Dark ranger - MM
Sentinel - Survival

This illusion of choice is so lame, because you are just forced into picking what was actually worked on and properly designed. yet most the time nothing is outside of the outlier.

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LWYPVRkNj2f461aw#fight=2&type=damage-done

and

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pxV8D6bTJjhqW7Pf#fight=10&type=damage-done

Same week, similar ilvl, similar comp, similar dungeon speed annd we have
1.507m pack leader vs 1.564m DR.

You are not doing double dps on AoE and 10x on AoE, unless you are actively bad and don’t know how to press your other buttons.

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There sure are, you should look at them.

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Thats cute, i can link u logs were dark ranger is doing 30-40% more overall, theres a reason 95% of hunters are playing it in mythic plus it does more damage, but at this point im convinced ur the developer who buffed multishot trying to fix our aoe damage and i hurt ur feelings

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can you link YOUR logs, of YOU doing 30-40% more overall ?

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Nd yes kind of like how balance druids use keeper of the grove as single target raid spec and m+, and kind of like how dark ranger was bis in all content up until pack leader became viable for st two weeks ago

More talent becoming viable is bad somehow.

Also, where are those logs.

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its a great thing… you should try reading what im saying, this thread is about their aoe damage.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HahfvyrVZWbpDM8N#fight=1&type=summary

heres one of many DR hunters pretty wild black arrows doing damn near 30% of his damage

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/39#bracket=13&class=Hunter&spec=BeastMastery&boss=12660&heroTree=43

and heres the entire page of packleaders coming nowhere close, now please move along.

I am, and ur math isn’t mathing.

Even looking at “BIG MDI PULL”

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HahfvyrVZWbpDM8N#fight=1&type=damage-done&start=29677&end=65022
vs
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pxV8D6bTJjhqW7Pf#fight=10&type=damage-done&start=9556953&end=9593099

8.2m vs 6.7m where the 2nd hunter doesn’t have a good on-use trinket is still not in the same magnitude as what you are claiming ?

So again, where are YOUR logs of you doing double the dmg in AoE and 10x in big pulls.

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you lost bro… bye… lol #buffpackleader

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If your intent was to show you don’t know how to read logs, then you succeeded.

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I wanted to share some feedback regarding the current state of the Hunter class. As an avid player who enjoys competing in high-level keys, I’m finding it increasingly challenging to get into groups as either a Marksmanship or Beast Mastery Hunter. The current state of these specializations feels underpowered compared to other classes, making it difficult to stay competitive in high-end content.

I believe a rework of these specs to improve their performance and viability in group settings would greatly benefit the Hunter community and overall player experience. Without these improvements, I may have to consider ending my subscription, as the lack of competitiveness is impacting my enjoyment of the game.

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Everyone whos not ret/frost/aug/shaman is experiencing that.

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100%, feels like blizzard wont be happy until everyone rerolls to shaman or ret

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Im playing Packleader BM with a Delves talent build and doing perfectly fine.

Unless youre doing top tier mythic pushes, in either raids or dungeons, there’s no real reason to min/max to that kind of extreme; just play what you like and learn to let go :slight_smile:

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