Just fish in pools. There are an insane number of them around and it only takes a few seconds at most to make it to the next one with skyriding, it’s likely been done this way to stop or slow down botting.
People keep parroting this response. So I’ll clarify my point again: I know you can fish in pools! That is not my point, my point is, why do we have to fish in pools?!
If you can move past that, tell me where anywhere they said fishing would be like this and why, I’d love to hear it (and again with the botting, without any evidence that is the reason for it). It’s like you have to justify a stupid design approach by saying that you can do this when before we could do this AND that. I really get rather tired of that attitude.
Probably to reduce botters who have been rampant in the game
It’s also a lot of little frustrations all piling up on each other all at once.
Fishing requires lots of gear and skill now if you want to avoid Pool-hopping.
Cooking is tied to fishing and is now needlessly convoluted and your mats:food ratio is horrible until you can get your skill up and the Blue cooking gear crafted.
Neither profession respects your time in the slightest (true for most crafting professions now but especially true here) and is far more frustrating to engage with than past iterations.
It all just makes me not want to bother with cooking or fishing at all, which sucks because I always used to level them both to max on at least 2-3 characters per expansion.
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So they make it problematic for everyone forever in order to react to a ‘botting’ problem which will only be an issue for a very short window while the fish have any real value. That seems a bit of overkill if its true.
Fishing is different in this one, and you will get majority grey drops until you hit max fishing.
I pushed to 300 fishing, and schools are the only way to reliably get drops. I’m only now figuring out how to use the various fish interactions. I like that they’ve put more thought into it this time, but yeah…while leveling, you have to either stick to schools or fill your bags with vendor trash.
It’s all (I think) to encourage engagement with the fishing tools and the weaverline enchants available from special schools.
Anyway, at 300 with a green Bismuth Fisherfriend, a green quality fishing hat, and fishing in the right zones with the right throwback fish buffs, I am open water fishing with some success. Honestly, I like what they’ve done. It shows they made it something of a priority.
If they did it to kill the bots: good. It means our fish will remain viable in the economy for much deeper into the expansion.
If they did it simply because they wanted to make fishing engaging and relevant: good. It’s long overdue.
If they did it to reward those of us who fish regularly over those who just throw a pole in the water every now and then during queues: good. Those of us who prioritize fishing and enjoy it deserve a little nod.
I’m good with the changes, even though it makes the initial leveling a bit more fiddly.
Edited to add: A few fishing tips/info bites
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When you achieve 300 and put on a hat and a fisherfriend pole, you can easily open water fish in all zones, not just Isle of Dorn. I am successfully doing the rare fish interactions dance between Isle of Dorn and Azj Kahet.
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If you do not wish to buy a Bismuth Fisherfriend, you can get the same +fishing boost with the throwback green fish that give you +10 fishing for x seconds. So…you don’t even strictly HAVE to buy the gear.
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Most of the cooking recipes require a lot of the fish that ONLY people who have put in the effort will be able to farm in anything like bulk numbers, so keep going. It will pay dividends. The Queen’s Lurefish and the Awakened Coelacanth are going to be big gold for us, and they are easy to catch for those of us who work out all the of the fish interactions and have taken the time to level the skill.
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If you don’t want to pool hop, you can stand there and level to 300 in the open water. You just won’t catch any fish. You’ll make a ton of gold in vendor greys, and you don’t have to go anywhere. So…it’s just a choice.
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The Nibbling Minnow droprate is VERY good in open water fishing. You can make Chippy Tea and get stacks and stacks of one fish to fillet with unbuffed open water fishing post-300.
So hang in there. It gets better. I personally think it gets very, very good.
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To be fair the main endgame recipes don’t really need that much fishes.
Beledar’s bounty, which you get from a quest in Hallowfal is (one of) the highest secondary stat personal food, doesn’t require any fish.
Feast of the Midnight Masque require 5 fish per craft which is a very small amount. This is the main stat feast that you want to craft as the other one is way way more costly.
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TWW fishing goes to 300 and they also went back to zones having ranges to fish with Spiderville being like 375 so you have to get buffs to fish there. Outside of pools you will mostly get trash until you outlevel the max range of the zone.
The books are there (at least in treasure pools), they’re just very rare.
Question for those that have somewhat maximized potential with fishing.
I have caught a few of the threads (weaves?) if I buy a TWW equipment pole and apply them, are they stuck on that fishing pole now? So if I upgrade later I have to start over with the weaves?
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This is my dilemma as well. I had already used the thread my guildmate made before it occurred to me, and yes.
When we get the upgraded pole, at least right now, all of those weaverthread enchants will stay with the old pole. I have not used any more of them and am saving them for the blue quality pole.
What would make more sense to me is if the blue quality pole was an upgrade rather an a separate item. You know, the player puts their own green quality pole into the crafting order to be upgraded to blue rather than discarding the green pole in favor of the blue one. This would retain all the weaverthread…but that isn’t what they’ve done.
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I’m not 100% sure, but it looks like the thread uses a similar system as the cloaks in remix - at you hit certain thresholds, you get achievements that make that progress apply account-wide.
I’ve decided to go ahead and attach a line to a green fishing pole because I don’t yet have any sense of how long it will take my engineer to learn the advanced recipe or gather the mats (or whether there will turn out to be an epic pole somewhere), But I’m half-expecting to regret that choice.
(I’m also leaning on a completely speculative/untested theory that the actual progress counter may be tied to the character, not the pole, so adding a line to a new pole will hopefully access my accumulated progress)
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I hope that you’re right…and I think you very well may be. It’s just so unclear. I wish the information we had was more complete so I could be certain.
Thanks. I haven’t even got a pole yet. AH has been down and I’m thinking about just using my engineer. For now though, I’ll just hang onto those weaves and see. I haven’t even reached 300 yet (205 ish).
A lot of great info in this thread though. I’ll just do half hour bursts like I have been doing going pool to pool.
Sorry, but fishing in open waters is a stupid design choice. Everyone else needs to move a lil but all you want to do is stand still a click a bomber for hours on end? Thats silly.
It takes seconds to get to the next pool, this is a silly thing to cry about.
I get tired of your attitude too when you just whine over a good change because you are lazy or w.e.
It makes plenty of sense why that’s the reason, on top of just being better gameplay for fishing. Blizzard has stated nothing so use a little common sense and think about it.
Rather than someone having a bot that sits still and clicks a bobber they need to have it fly around and find pools while also aiming the bobber at them. Fishing in open waters has had botting issues for so many years in WoW, if you go look at every classic server you can find a ton of hidden bots doing this if you know where to look. This makes it more difficult for the botters and gives more ways for Blizzard to detect who’s a bot along with bots needing to be out in the open for players to report rather than hidden near a source of water.
It’s likely the same reason why sky riding is unlocked at the start and the old flying system has requirements that are not too hard but take time. Bots are still out there, but with sky riding you don’t see hordes of them like in the past.
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You can catch fish in open water, but its very unlikely that if you just cast your line out at random you will catch something. You will have much better luck if you move around in the water, cast over different areas, pick the right bait, and track the fish.
For example, atlantic salmon exist in the ocean and its possible to catch one standing on the shore and casting out, but its incredibly rare. However, go half a mile inland and fish in a pool and you can hook one every 30 minutes.
I’m at 200 fishing and open water casts get fish pretty frequently. Just anecdotal
Let me rewind you to the first season of Cataclysm and all the raiders who whined about having to open water fish for their raid food.
Remember Les Stroud when the arctic char came shoaling right up to the beach? He carried 20 pounds of them back onto the helicopter with him.
There should be “shoaling” events along with pools.
Open water fishing could also be helped by the skinning fishing baits.
Just had a chance to get back on this forum…
I appreciate your mention of fishing bots. Unfortunately, bots are way more sophisticated than you’re giving them credit.
Modern fishing bots fly from fish pool to fish pool. they use regular flying to get to the pools. then, the bot just circles around the pre-defined nodes. Over and Over.
And, since Blizzard already released Pathfinder, the bots have it even easier since they can regular fly. Why? because you require vigor for sky riding and going from pool to pool will deplete your vigor. That mechanic alone did slow down the bots but it didn’t stop them. And, until Blizzard develops a more intuitive ‘warden’ program this will continue.
I still believe forcing players to almost exclusively fish pools seems odd. it’s not how fishing IRL works at all. You don’t fly around the ‘lake’ and see a fish pool and then fish it. Then fly off to the next one.
I’d still like the way fishing has worked since the game came out.
Now, one thing I did like about old fishing was the quests to get epic fish. Those days are gone AFAIK…