Looks like now we have to choose between it and demonic as a talent (on beta, at least). Not a fan. Those two talents complement each other way too well to be separate by a node choice. Obviously our damage was a bit out of hand, but idk if this was the answer over just some tuning.
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Itâs a trade off node.
You can have frequent, but shorter power windows through demonic along with baseline Meta, or you can shorten the Cooldown with added +vers.
Itâs just a decision between the two. You donât get to have both.
Re-read my post. We DID get to have both prior to this build via a pvp talent that was unfortunately just removed.
And youâll note from my response, I have not argued thatâŚ
As it is now in pre-patch, it is a choice between the two.
Youâll just have to choose, and no longer have access to both.
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No itâs not. I feel like Iâm talking to a brick wall.
As it is now in pre-patch, you can get both abilities. You can take the demonic talent and the First of the Illidari pvp talent at the same time.
That is no longer an option on the beta. If it goes live, itâs a pretty massive change. Assuming we take the demonic talent, it effectively nerfs our burst damage by 10% and increases our meta cd by a minute.
Of all the incredibly dumb things to cry about on the forum, this might be the dumbest. If you can build to a higher meta uptime then the class will be balanced around you doing precisely that. What will be a personal preference for you will be mandatory for everyone else because weâll be severely underpowered if we donât combo First/Demonic.
This is like the Momentum discourse but somehow even more boneheaded.
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Nobodyâs crying. I was just surprised that a massive unannounced nerf like this just wasnât being talked about at all and figured Iâd mention it. But I didnât realize that people on the dh forums apparently just donât like talking about big dh changes. So thatâs on me, I guess.
Those of us actively keeping up on the Alpha/Beta were aware this was going to occur months ago.
With the large majority not engaging in PvP, this reduction in power wasnât really at the core of discussions. Primarily the discussion was around PvE and how First isnât nearly equal to Demonic.
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Why would you be surprised First/Demonic isnât going to be viable? They already share a choice node. The fact that one has persisted as a PvP talent in spite of this should be indication enough that thatâs an oversight. Nevermind how broken an excessively high meta uptime DH build would be.
I canât understand why anyone would be surprised by this - especially given how well DH is performing regardless.
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I assumed it too. But the months went by, and it never went away. At this point, literally all our impressions about how dh performs in pvp on live and on the beta are based on this talent. So its removal, surprising or not, is a pretty massive deal. One that almost nobody knows just happened.
Iâm not surprised. In the same way I wonât be surprised when they eventually gut/overhaul fodder to the flame. But itâll still be a big deal and people should know if/when it happens. Youâre 100% right that this discourse is pretty boneheaded. Why you being so annoying with these dumb responses?
Clearly coming to the dh forums to tell people about it was a mistake. For some reason the only people responding to a thread about dh pvp talents are people who donât pvp on dh.
this sucks bc thatâs a really nice pvp talent. At least we donât have to take mortal dance anymore. Woulda been sweet to be able to run Reverse, First of Ill, and Chaotic Imprint baseline
this is prob bc of the complaining about our dmg pre-patch
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bc itâs an annoying, dumb thread!
Again, youâre complaining about not being able to double up talents on a choice node. If anything you should be relieved theyâre being attentive to design consistency.
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No. I was making a comment on the removal of a pvp talent. One that didnât get announced and that nobody knew about. Then a couple trolls who donât pvp came and donât care about the topic of a thread came in trying to hijack it and explain things literally nobody was confused about.
Youâre getting trolled because youâre not using common sense. Why would they maintain two instances of a talent for both PvP and the class/spec trees? This was announced with the introduction of those trees and everybody (except apparently you) knew about it because it wouldnât make sense to let you pick a talent twice.
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No. Iâm getting trolled because your a miserable little brat who seems to enjoy pestering people.
Why would they maintain two instances of a talent for both PvP and the class/spec trees?
I donât know, I donât work at Blizzard. I donât know why they did it in the past, I donât know why theyâre doing it right now in prepatch, and I donât know why they may or may not do it in the future. And I donât really care. That wasnât the point of this thread.
This was announced with the introduction of those trees and everybody (except apparently you) knew about it because it wouldnât make sense to let you pick a talent twice.
Plenty of people Iâve spoken to on live didnât about this change. Weâve had this pvp talent for literally all of prepatch and all of beta. Of course itâs news-worthy when they removed it. Quit trying to be some annoying cynical knowitall.
And yet itâs happened before and itâs literally happening right now on live.
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It seems like you understand this is an oversight, that there have been oversights in the past and you anticipate oversights in the future, yet you experience a strange cognitive dissonance where you feel the oversights should remain in place, so much so that youâve made a forum post to agitate for it.
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No. Iâm referring to the past times where Blizzard intentionally allowed a pvp talent to literally just be âgrant x talentâ or where they had gear that literally just gave talents/pvp talents.
This is what I mean when I call you a miserable troll. For the 10th time in this thread, youâre intentionally misrepresenting what Iâm saying because youâre just so desperate to have something to disagree with. Itâs pathetic.
I made this forum post because there was just an unannounced 10% nerf to dh pvp damage and I felt like people should know. As I already explained 20 times.
I happened to give my thoughts on the change, but apparently that was a mistake because it opened the door for a nosy weirdo who doesnât even pvp to come in and try to explain things nobody was confused about, criticize people who arenât able to omnisciently predict exactly how/when nerfs happen, and claim that bypassing talent choices via other systems is just an impossible design choice when thatâs just objectively not the case.
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Youâve just assumed oversight without taking into account what is intended on the beta.
You want announcements?
Take the very clear information that is on the Beta.
A whole 10% nerf you say!
Crikey!!!
Again, itâs common knowledge what is happening on beta/pre-patch.
If youâre out of the loop and only just figured it out now, thatâs on youâŚ
You know, for all this talk of being âdesperate to have something to disagree withâ this is quite the back-bending youâre doing here. I think you know that it would be incoherent design to let you take First of the Illidari twice, you just donât want to accept youâve come stumbling into the forums on autopilot with your mouth wide open desperate for the devs (who arenât reading any of this nonsense btw) to shovel in yet more treats.
Well now youâre gonna have dirt shovelled in, and youâve got no one to blame but yourself!
Loathe as I am to address lazy ad hominem like this, but I managed to push 1900 in SL s1 and 2 so I think I know a little about what DH does in pvp i.e. at no point was Demonic Origins ever a competitive PvP talent, and going by whatâs happening with the AMN/Soulrend drama in pre-patch ( which I admittedly donât care to participate in, I had enough fun making people mad with Souldrinker in Korrakâs Revenge, once youâve milked one broken PvP system youâve milked them all) youâre not even talking about the âcurrentâ âmeta.â
Are you really trying to tell me thereâs some viable CoH/Demonic build that out-performs Chaotic Imprint/Soulrend on Beta (which is the only possible context any of this gibberish youâre hankering for could be relevant) or⌠again, could it be, youâve just had an automatic gag reflex to what isnât anything more significant than a design kink being ironed out?
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OP came with a grievance and just wanted to discuss and air it out, and perhaps build to a discussion - in a videogame forum built for discussion and feedback - like a normal, well-adjusted concerned player would and should.
But then, Megatroll steamrolls in just harassing them, dismissing their concerns, poking fun at them AND being wilfully obtuse.
Megatroll needs to stop harassing other players and learn tobrespect other peopleâs opinions, and stop disguising their âgit gudâ response with their air of superiority and word salad.
People are allowed to have opinions and complaints thst differ from your own. Stop putting down other players, Megatroll.