First attempt at limiting queue sync premades?

PVP Battlegrounds
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You should join one of the communities then.

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Communities are all friends? Because we’re talking about friends here, not in-game WoW communities.

Maybe I have a different idea of what a friend is, but “one of the random people I sometimes play epic battlegrounds with in WoW” isn’t it.

You absolutely can form friendships in guilds and communities, but is everyone in it actually your friend? Like, actual friends? Or just someone you know and queue up with once in awhile?

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Does it matter? You should join a community if you have few friends that play WoW.

This is such an odd question to ask.

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Don’t tell me that, tell THEM:

So which is it? Queueing up with a few friends? Or joining a queue sync premade community to queue up with 20+ other people, most of them NOT my friends?
Because it can’t be both. You can’t hand wave away queue syncing as “just friends queueing up together” while at the same time telling people to join a queue sync community because nobody is going to have enough friends to queue sync an epic battleground.

Which is it?

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Ah, ok, so I’m right, it literally doesn’t matter. :joy:

This is really such odd behavior. It doesn’t matter if someone if bestest friends with literally everyone in their community. They enjoy playing with that community and that’s the end of it.

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Did I mention bestest friends?

I don’t want to queue sync, nor join a community that does.
I do not have enough friends who play WoW to queue sync, not that we would even if I did.
But, again, I am responding to:

And other similar comments that are always posted whenever queue sync premades are being discussed. It’s one of the go-to excuses they use.
So, again, don’t tell ME it’s weird. Tell THEM.

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Just curious why are you so invested in basically conspiracy theories about queue syncing when:

  1. you play with partials/premades on your own side (alliance?)
  2. you think the other side (horde?) is a premade when it isn’t - it’s usually just a small group or fewer than 10
  3. you probably argue having 5-mans vs, pugs in regular BGs is perfectly fine, but even playing with partials in 35-40 man BGs is wrong. lol
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That’s the implication. Your entire obsession is that the relationships in these communities haven’t met your personal standard of friendship lol.

So then don’t? No one is forcing you to.

No… you’re the one that’s acting odd by obsessing over whether or not they truly have friends in those communities.

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I would appreciate it if you would respond to what I actually said instead of inventing strawmen.
I never implied bestest friends. I said that my definition of friend is not just someone in a community I sometimes queue up to do battlegrounds with. Please explain how you got “bestest” friends from my description.
While you’re at it, please explain how that meets your definition of a friend.

Queue sync premades negatively affect anyone who is trying to play battlegrounds.
It’s not a case of simply “not joining them” because you still have to face them and still get games opening the gates while missing half your team because of them.
If your suggestion is to stop queueing for battlegrounds at all, well, the whole idea is to make battlegrounds a bit more fair and enjoyable for everyone.
Are you against making battlegrounds more fair? If so, why?

Countering an argument (just queue up with friends) by pointing out its flaws and bad logic, is not being “obsessed”.
Again, and I don’t know why I keep having to tell you this, say this to the people who bring up the friends thing in the first place, NOT the people countering it.
If someone makes an argument, and another person makes a counterargument, you can’t dismiss the person making the counterargument by saying they are obsessed. They are literally just countering the argument, whether or not they are right or wrong.

If you’re truly engaged in this discussion in good faith then you’ll stop building men of straw and stop trying to have your cake and eat it too.
If you don’t want to see the “just queue up with friends” argument anymore, then don’t tell that to the people who are countering said argument, tell it to the people who keep making the argument.

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That’s not a strawman. That’s literally your response.

The people in those communities are not friends because they don’t meet your standard for friendship, or, my version, which is more accurate, they aren’t “bestest” friends.

Wrong.

Because random BGs are not meant to be fair. They never were. Cherry picking that “this is fair” and “this isn’t” is arbitrary.

You haven’t done that. You’re just asking “are you reallllly friends?” lol. You’re not countering anything, you’re offering a non-relevant point that delves into weird semantic arguments. It’s nonsensical and entirely non-productive, but you know that.

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I see that we’re just going to go around and around in circles on this.

This discussion is, yes, but not for the reasons you say.
Either way, there’s no point in continuing this conversation with you and I’m not going to be baited into responding to you further because I don’t think anyone is going to get much more value out of this beyond what’s already been said.
People can read and judge for themselves.

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Yeah, the interesting thing is that’s why normal (typically non alliance) communities play together. It’s for the community and fun. Crazy concept.

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I think there should be a 30v30 raid queue for epic battlegrounds so guilds and communities can more easily queue up for large scale PvP battles, while making random and epic battlegrounds cross faction along with some other changes to make queue syncing much harder to do.

That would be a win for everyone.

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So if we are done parsing the meaning of friendship

I was just in a match and everything looked the same as it always did, the empty scoreboard showed the regular info, as did BGE window.

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Davey Jones Locker for lifeeeeeeeee

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Yeah im pretty sure this is just a claim to have done something when nothing looks to have changed

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What about fairness and fun for everyone else? Crazy concept.

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From reading the announcement this appears to be aimed at getting information about who is in a battleground before even accepting the queue, often using third party software or resources.
It doesn’t look like it has anything to do with knowing who your opponents are after you accept the invite and are actually in the match but before the gates open. So I doubt it would affect addons like Battleground Enemies (unless they disabled it from working before the gates open as part of this).

in advance of a battleground.

we regularly take action against accounts using third-party software

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If you’re horde that’s cool. I kind of get why you hate premades because pretty much all the messed up players switched to alliance and claim to not premade when they do. lol

Anyway, I’ve always been for matching the groups. But apparently it’s somehow too difficult for blizz to do. :dracthyr_shrug:

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It would be nice for sure, they could at least match teams with healers.