So any other fire mages around? The other two mages in my guild are arcane and I am competitive with their DPS on anything but netherspite. Will that be the case with phase two, will I be left in the dust for not switching? I know the t5 set bonus will turbo charge arcane while they have mana, but how many arcane mages can one raid support to prevent them going oom?
Al’ar is fire immune right 
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Fire is over in phase 2.
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T5 arcane is best but any other stage in a normal raid comp I will beat an arcane mage as fire everytime
I mean your average parse is a 66, so I’m not sure you can make that claim.
Arcane will win in decent guilds who have decent kill speeds.
If your guild is below average fire will prolly win out in that guilds scenario.
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Arcane mages need a shadow priest in group, won’t parse great without also having an ele shaman, and depending on kill time, might need a dedicated druid for innervate. That’s 3 players/specs needed per arcane mage. I’d be surprised if the average guild could support more than 1 or 2.
My guild currently lacks a shadow priest for either of our raid groups and given the worsening Alliance situation on Mankrik, who knows if we’ll be able to recruit one. Our kill times are below average, so I might just stick it out with fire for a while even though I want to try arcane. At least I’ll be supporting the fire locks…
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Yeah, ideally you want a resto shaman for their mana totem (the 3% hit on Wrath totem is wasted for arcane mages with a modicum of gearing), but in reality if you have a mixed group of casters (locks, non-arcane mages), they’re gonna put ele shaman in the group.
It doesn’t change the fact that you still want a shaman in your group, nor does it contradict that you need 3 other players to support you.
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So basically you need to be in the group you were going to be in anyway?
They aren’t getting extra stuff to make arcane viable they would already have those things.
It’s not like they need to make a cut so the arcane can have a spriest and rshaman…they would use those specs anyway.
Locks will be going Shadow in p2 anyway unless you just want to keep your mage fire for them. So typically the raid is replacing scorch with the shadow damage debuff.
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It’s kind of ridiculous that putting 2 people in your group is called “support” when its arcane mages, but not for anyone else. Reeks of desperation.
Innervates are only necessary after 4-5 minutes. The strongest raids wont take that long for 95% of content.
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It’s like people try to go out of there way to trash arcane for needing 2 classes.
Meanwhile locks need a fire mage or a spriest in the raid. A boomkin for crit aura and an ele shaman in their group.
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Dont forget alar is fire immue too, so unless your expecting to respec or do no dps that fight, arcane is better.
There was a fire mage in my MC in vanilla… alar will bow down to the hotter fire lol
If you already have those things in your guild/raid, then feel lucky, cuz not everyone has them (myself included). I’ve given up looking at parses at this point
/cry
You guys don’t have a spriest and a rshaman?
That seems odd.
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Rag & fire elemental trash were the only things fire immune in MC. Fire was better for everything else. And we already knew that.
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The only reason to not have a shadow priest at all is if every one of your warlocks is stubbornly fire spec, and refuses to ever switch to shadowbolt no matter how much better it could become, and your raid has just 1 mage to be a scorch slave without any arcane mages, and you’re somehow amazingly uber-minmaxing every other raid slot to the point that removing any single other player would result in more damage lost than gained by the damage of a shadow priest PLUS 5% spell damage for everyone else (misery debuff).
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The only reason to not have a resto shaman is because you cant recruit one.
i.e. any reasonable, logical, educated raid will have both a shadow priest & resto shaman if given the option.
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We have no spriest and sometimes 1 resto shaman. The Alliance situation on Mankrik gets more dire by the day, so recruiting is an issue.
And that was the last time he participated in this thread.
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I just don’t get how people can be like “I’m crushing all arcane mages as fire”.
While basing it off their own anecdotal evidence…then to top it off like not even really parsing at a level that shows it.
Like I don’t get people…make it make sense?
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Baron geddon would like a word
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True, fair.