Devs should reconsider the upcoming fire mage aura nerfs, they are unnecessary. Fire won’t be anywhere near competitive in single target. Fire mage has already been underperforming due to low tuning and bugs (seemingly on an alternating basis) for most of this expansion so the changes just seem strange. Thanks!
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Fire mage is the top dps in mythic raid and top mage spec in mythic +
And soon to be bottom next week
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I’m not sure where you are getting this information from. There are 8 timed runs with Fire mages in keys at level 14 and up, while there are 58 Frost and 54 Arcane runs. Eleven DPS specs have more timed runs at those levels, with one of them being Affliction warlock, and who in their right mind considers Affliction overpowered at the moment?
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you are statistically illiterate
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With current tuning Fire does well in fights with moderate add uptime. The current raid has quite a few fights which play to that strength. Fire’s boss damage isn’t that impressive, being the 10th best spec at the 95th percentile. This boss damage is even less impressive when you factor in unlike other classes Fire never tabs off the boss even in AOE.
For M+ fire can do impressive AOE damage, but so can Arcane, and Arcane brings much more boss damage than Fire. Looking at the top keys there’s very few Fire players and a 50/50 Frost Arcane split.
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you’re incapable of reading a graph, sad
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Lol more than capable of reading a graph. It’s a solid low A/ high B choice for mythic + and a top dps spec for raid. It’s not going to get anymore crazy buffs. Get over it
“top dps” hahahahaha
you’re just looking at WCL when 90% of guilds just killed the 2 fights fire is good at, its completely useless in the rest of the raid. zero reason to use it on kyveza onwards
it’s the most unpopular mage spec in mythic and is still simming way lower than the other mage specs on ST.
you’re rage baiting or just that dense?
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oh nvm just saw you’re a casual that buys +10 runs
just go do some delves and stop trying to pretend you know even remotely how the game works. sad
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Dude your latest raid content is Remix. Kick a bucket. Gtfo of here with that nonsense. Do you even play mage 
Fire is BIS on 2 fights, Bloodbound Horror, and Broodtwister. Arcane is better on 6/8 of the fights. In M+ Arcane and Frost are timing higher keys than fire. None of your arguments hold water.
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I find Mythic Stats (ends with “com”) to have the clearest graph of the performance of specs. It essentially takes the top 2000 logs of each spec, though it drops a lot of data (for example if few people are running a spec it will not take all 2000 parses)
Currently:
Fire: 12/26
Frost: 18/26
Arcane: 21/26
So fire, in M+, is the only spec performing at above-average, according to this site.
You can’t go by popularity because the average player is not checking the meta every week. They might watch a tier list video or two at the beginning of the season.
This seems like cherry picking
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Do you have better log analysis data? I’d love to see it.
edit: If you’d like to view analysis from a different source, check out U (dot gg) where the data is very similar
What are you talking about fire is getting huge buffs
Fire mage doesnt look top dps for heroic in the statistics its at the bottom apart from mythic raid which it does well which 99.9% of the player base doesnt even cares about.
Game shouldnt be balanced for the 0.1%. Fire mage is trash for the 99% so it should be buffed.
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Yes, I do.
Warcraftlogs .com allow you to take an in-depth look on a boss to boss basis, which reveals that fire is performing good only on raid bosses with pretty poor design (a’la Bloodbound horror and it’s hitbox shenanigans). It is mediocre at best on the rest.
There is no denying that Fire is good in m+ dungeons, but that’s Flamestrike/AoE territory and not the point of the original discussion which is focused on the incoming 7% SINGLE TARGET nerf.
Furthermore, while Flamestrike is remaining mostly untouched numerically, it is now getting a big mana issue due to the change of Glorious Incandescence.
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Both the “U” site and “mythicstats” use warcraftlogs data. It’s all there.
As the logs show, it is very good. I agree. And I agree that my comment had nothing to do with the incoming AoE nerfs. I saw people piling on to a guy who actually posted something that was correct, and posted data to back up their statement.
Again, as you pointed out above this has nothing to do with what I posted. I Just posted the current data. THIS week, ending Oct 22nd, fire mage has been the best performing mage spec in M+. After a 7% aura nerf? Probably not. However arcane losing the nether precision double-dip will be huge, and so I’m guessing fire will still beat arcane
We don’t have enough data on any of the patch updates to talk with as much clarity. What we DO have solid data is from Warcraftlogs, and to repeat sites like U and mythicstats are using that same data.
I suggest you follow your own advice and dig into warcraft logs and you will see Fire is not played much, but quite good in keys as of today’s (Oct 21, 2024) power levels.
You must’ve misread the original post of this thread which clearly stated a complaint directed at SINGLE TARGET competitiveness.
Citing aggregated bs data that has the same value as tierlists has nothing to do with the argument. Besides, nobody claimed (or shouldn’t have) that fire is bad in overall m+ performance.
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