Fire Mage Nerfs

Balance tuning does not happen in a vacuum. The OP is asking for reconsideration for aura nerfs, which will strongly influence AoE.

I am not agreeing or disagreeing that it should/should not be nerfed. I am just sharing data.

The amount people get attacked on this forum for sharing simple data is absurd.

Right, and we’re claiming that the upcoming change will severely hinder Fire’s raid performance (as if it wasn’t already bad outside of previously named bosses which by virtue of poor design allow ignite to shine).

a 7% mid-season nerf is a considerable impact to the spec’s viability in a raiding environment, especially given that it wasn’t overperforming at all.

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I am guessing you are right. I haven’t tried to make an APL or anything but it does look like a large nerf.

Arcane lost 6% to AB which is my main spec, and that hurt a lot more than I think Blizzard intended IMO. So you’re probably right there as well.

When all things are summarized, Arcane is getting a substantial (~8%) buff, in fact.

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you literally have 0 CEs on your account
go do your delves or buy some more +10s clown

and you still havent responded anything anyone said on the post regarding Fire Mage after the idiotic things you said about it being “A tier” or “Top dps”, so you’re just ragebaiting or you have room temperature IQ
either way it’s sad

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Dude, just delete that post :joy:

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Oh my goodness “ROOM TEMPERATURE IQ” I’m freaking gone :joy::joy::joy:

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Seems like fire didn’t end up as a top raid spec after all lol. Bottom 5 in single target, average when the fight favors them with aoe/add uptime. Fire needs a 5% single target specific buff.

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I have zero problem admitting I was wrong. Fire was slowly climbing the ranks. But I also don’t think anyone expected for most of all the mage specs to get a nerf. Luckily they fixed the bug for frost orb/ splinters or frost also would have had a huge nerf. Now all three specs are in the lower half of dps.

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Yeah NBD. You had to be a little plugged in to really know what was about to happen.

  1. Blizzard sorted by all bosses on WCL
  2. Saw fire mage was really high all of a sudden and misinterpreted it. The first two bosses inflate that view greatly
  3. they nerfed fire 3% to kind of put it back in the middle of the pack…butttttttttt
  4. they also bug fixed controlled destruction from giving twice its stated value
  5. The combined nerf hit fire making it average for fights it should be extremely powerful on while neutering the single target so badly that its in the argument for worst in the game.

It’s just more extremely poor balancing and QC. They designed in so many knobs to tune fire’s profile, but no one is around to actually turn them. They can easily tune 1t, 3t, 5t, and mass aoe all almost independently at this point which is a credit to the design process. Their balance process is non existent and completely lacking.

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I am still baffled they haven’t reverted the aura nerf. There should be enough data by now to know that the CD bugfix + aura nerf was going to far. Top players of the spec aren’t even playing fire anymore due to it being so bad.

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Have you seen the latest PTR patch??? They are buffing lit fuse/LB AGAIN :frowning: I really don’t understand what is going on… will you PLEASE buff my pyro already, which is supposed to be my strongest spell, yet it is GARBAGE. Again, I am NOT a dot class!!

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Yeah Fire is in the dumpster. Remember when you could combust open on a boss and be at least briefly top damage? Now you’re scrambling for top 8.

PvP wise oh lord Jesus. Thank god for cauterize because that’s mostly what you’re gonna be seeing

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I think the whole right side needs a rework all together, or better yet Fire needs a rework. We are to reliant on combustion. On M+ if combustion is not up your damage will be painfully bad. Working around it can be tough at times. Our single target falls behind bad on raids. I honestly feel like blizz only wants you to play Frost or arcane becuase fire aint it. Do you have a link to those patch notes that say there buffing LB ?

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The right side of the tree is fine. It was and is fine. It’s question was always just tuning not design. Saying fire needs a rework because it’s reliant on it’s iconic cooldown is wild too. What does fire not reliant on combustion even look like? Have combustion more? Like…sun king’s blessing which is already in the tree?

We don’t need reworks. We just need some single target damage buffs and well be in a great spot.

Play cata classic and you will see what a fire mage used to looks like.
Actually the always combustion playstyle started in shadowlands or maybe late bfa.
Im not saying its a boring desing but our dmg shouldnt be only depending on how much combustion uptime we can get.
Also going back to the old fire mage, crit builds were really fun having combust as nuke spell with tons of dmg every 2 min (or 45s in mop)

Personally i believe the devs responsable of the last rework wasted too much time and efford on that part of the tree. What would you think it will happend with those devs if players dont like lit fuse?
They have to make it work, if not somebody is gonna be punished.