The pally buff largely hit the mark. It didn’t change the meta but made Ret less of a carry. Combined with their utility and the general strength of the Pally class, Ret is pretty much where they should be. Low end but not uncompetitive.
Blizzard got lucky on that one though - as demonstrated by their mangled attempt at addressing Feral (pun intended).
I did. In p1 combat was behind fury in all three fights including ST gruul you claim.
That’s just logs though. I know facts don’t sit well
Just for comedy sake I looked at the rest of the raids to see where fury ranked vs combat.
SSC/TK phase 2.5
Fury: 5
Combat 12
BT/Hyjal phase 3.5-4
Fury:5
Combat: 12
Sunwell phase 5
Fury:2
Combat:5
In every single phase fury is the strongest melee dps. So as I said rogues scaled in phase 5. And no warrior that actually played warrior is going to tell you that rogues we’re better than warriors
The biggest flaw was that end game performance was not a factor in whether to buff or nerf any of the other specs yet it was used to justify nerfing Fury.
Buffs and nerfs shouldn’t be used to define an end game meta expectation. Adjust it if and when it becomes relevant.
This cuts both ways. Warriors are not entitled to top dps in ICC simply because they expected to.
In all phases balancing should strive to keep classes and specs within a predefined range of each other without redefining the meta.
I sometimes feel like Classic is where Blizzard train their interns. Give them a dabble at class balance before bringing them into the retail team…
How is any of this even relevant? I could drag up retail numbers where Rogues outperform Warriors - so what. These are different games.
How butt hurt you feel about a different game has no bearing on this one.
When someone says rogues were better than
Warriors in tbc it’s relevant.
Don’t blame me for others stupid claims
Yeah well their comment was also irrelevant.
Yet you took it up with me?
This is irrelevant to the topic - different game.
We happy?
I was happy when I made him look like a moron.
But your comment just makes me smile more
FotM reroller parse-brain loot goblins rerolled off of warrior a looooooooong time ago.
The pixels on the screen have real people behind them.
Don’t be mad at warriors, be mad at the people who screamed at you in voice chat.
The people you disliked in classic vanilla likely went to feral tank or warlock dps or somesuch in TBC and rerolled again for Wrath.
let’s not forget that why would you do that at all anyway because you bring a feral and you get more debuffs, more buffs, innervates and b-rez. completely ridiculous. if ppl chose to make a feral and found the rotation too difficult to play well, then they should play another class. ferals could really pump before the buffs–if they were really good. ferals who couldn’t prob should have just made sin rogues. really really ridiculous.
No they werent rogues were ahead of warriors on ST grull, which more importantly is only at the end of P1, with full p1 bis and a ton of recklessness logs increasing the average. You can see this by analyzing that the median of rogues is higher than warriors and that warriors have a far bigger spread. Again all at the end of P1 bis, when also encountering that council and magtheridon had huge burst aoe openers that heavily boosted warriors up, but still they couldnt even come close to hunters and warlocks and when it was single target they were miles behind even by the end of the phase.
As stated in relation warriors were weak and scaled throughout the expansion. week 1 tbc first tier raid was quite different to the last week.
Except i as a warrior am, cause i know they were for the majority of single target on the first tier, it wasnt till later the scaling carried warrior ahead of rogues or cleave fights that warriors were dominating rogues, but still was far behind warlocks and hunters.
Again p2.5 and p.1 still used chicken to boost melees dmg vs those two classes, again skewing their dmg harder and as mentioned reck on top being a one of or twice a raid ability means the logs using it showcases a log that doesnt reflect the actual real in game dps that the warrior would be doing through most of the raid.
Well and that aggrend excluded and left out, that by the same tier fury was gonna be okay, so was ret.
They were and the p1 clearly shows it was the case for the start, where you claimed warriors were not trash, but they were, just like rogues were also bad, compared to hunters and warlocks.
auch, the irony of not being able to look at a graph and analyze it.
P1 gruul
Fury 10
Combat 12
Womp womp
look at the median, womp womp dont know how stats work 
If you just ignore stats, warriors abilities, chickens that rogues used too (but only ignore warriors using them) then you’ll see the truth!! Ignore everything until it fits a narrative!
The median doesnt lie, you know what a median is ?
The median is below and as i pointed out the graph he is using is end p1 bis, not p1 start. So everything i said is correct but you just cant handle it
This is the warrior way. Always easy to see the ones who didnt play TBC…or didnt play it well.
Imagine saying that with confidence, when you have cleared algalon twice, is parsing 86 on average and you parse median blues.
22 days later…on a sock puppet…hiding
Does feral still sim higher?