Feral druid is now simming higher then ANY class in icc , including the “infamous” scaling shadowmourne fury. Either undo this buff or remove the titans grip penalty. The stigma around warrior just scaling “so hard” just isnt true on the current version we are playing on. If it takes a legendary weapon in the last month of the expansion to make the class a viable pure DPS class something is wrong. bringing a fury warrior just isnt viable now with the recent feral buffs, ive personally lost my raid spot due to the recent feral buff and honestly most warriors are giving up hopes that we will ever be good in wotlk. I think blizzard should seriously consider the titans grip penalty reduction as this doesnt even come close to becoming a problem untill you get BIS ICC weapons. Fury and feral have been equal (With feral being a few hundred dps higher) on most fights and now feral receives over a 2k dps buff leaving the already struggling fury warrior dead unless they buy a shadowmourne (to still be 2k dps behind a bis feral)
What exactly makes any DPS spec, be it a hybrid class or a PURE DPS class like rogue/hunter/mage/lock, viable?
You are aware that warrior isn’t a PURE DPS class right?
Feral is the highest DPS class in ICC by over 2k dps with this buff. in a 3 minute fight a feral druid is 2.5k dps higher then a full bis UH DK. and 2k dps higher then a legendary weilding fury warrior.
Either buff the other physical classes to be on par (Fury , arms and even ret) or revert feral so its equal to fury which share the same raid buffs. Fury now, NO Longer has a reason to bring to your raid unless a serious buff is given, i can see warriors quitting
In Ulduar after 1 day, Ferals were #1 on Freya, then #2 on everything that wasnt Hodir/Vezax. A couple exceptions where they landed at #3/4 but it was like a pixel off from being #2, a virtual tie.
Essentially, theyre on the heels of assassination rogues, the #1 2 button DPS spec, but can also Brez, Innervate, 5% crit buff, bleed buff, etc. They scale hard too. Will be stacking ferals in ICC.
Yep, if warrior doesnt receive a buff to make it viable with the recent feral buffs, Sadly ill have to re roll to feral to fill in the gaps my class is missing.
They essentially are a pure dps though, and always have been. 2 of their specs are DPS specs. They have no mana. No healing abilities. And basically 0 utility.
The “hybrid tax” in vanilla logically came from a class’s ability to HEAL. Consider now how a boomkin or elemental shaman can still heal, totems, brez, innervate, etc. They have a lot of utility.
Warriors are the worst dueling class in the game specifically because they have no mana, no heals, and low utility.
A 25 man raid has 1-3 tanks. A 40 man raid had 1-3 tanks. Having the ability to fill a tank slot is hardly what makes a class a “hybrid” or worthy of “hybrid tax.” The tax comes from the advantages that come from mana pretty much. Warrior has none of those advantages. A ret paladin can heal, cleanse, freedom, art of war heal, and more. A PREG paladin is like a tank that does more dps than an arms warrior but can also heal at about 60% capacity of a regular holy paladin in PVP lol.
See what is going on here? Warrior DPS specs are basically pure dps for “balance” purposes. A rogue from classic through wotlk often had far more utility, world tools, far better in pvp, the list goes on. They have a ton of tools to compensate for no mana, and a lot of utility. Warrior has even less.
Consider how strong ELemental shaman is right now. Upper middle of the pack in PVE dmg. #1 in PVP. Can offheal in 3s with their “hybrid” value while also doing way more dmg and burst than any warrior spec can do.
Doesnt help prot war is the least desired tank overall too if you want to exclusively look at raid viability.
i mean pure dps as in. your in the raid PURELY to do dps. no offtanking ect… having a fury warrior PURELY for dps no longer is viable. sure it was viable to bring a fury for the crit buff if you didnt need a feral for offtanking, but this no longer is the case and was the reason ret was buffed because the UTILITY didnt outweigh the POOR spec performance.
Not gonna read past this line but ok go off 
We get it, you dislike warriors or the people who play them. But you cannot disagree warrior NEEDS a buff to become playable at this point. Good day thanks for joining the conversation.
why join forums for debates on topics if you can’t read? Warriors have none of the overall advantages that come from being a hybrid worthy of hybrid tax. Elementals for example do more dmg in PVE and PVP, have infinitely more utility, strong self and off heals in PVP or niche PVE situations, etc. Feral has INSANE utility. Can tank well, can heal with a resto spec, and now theyre #1/#2 PVE dps neck and neck w/ assassination rogue LMAO. Tell more more why warrior has to be bad becaise its a hybrid with no heals, low utility, and no mana? hahaha
We bring a fury and we have a feral who only helps tank on trash when we’re trying to speed up pulls and the other tanks are behind. We’re not some split raid just a guild that plays well. Viable is certainly not the right word here. It may not be the most min/max but that doesn’t mean that doing the content with them isn’t feasible.
Yeah that’s true.
Cool so Unholy DKs should be nerfed more?
I could care less if UH DKs are “nerfed” more but if that’s the change you’d like to see then advocate for it.
UH DKs are 50ish dps above feral druid in ulduar single target. UH DK is in a fine spot. however i cannot say the same about ferals as the buff was not fair to other competing classes in the same spot dps and utility wise.
Yay feral! 
Wow that’s weird, I somehow am disagreeing even though you believe I can not.
Warrior is not a pure dps class
All I’m seeing is that ferals should be given 2-handed axe as a weapon skill and be able to get Shadowmourne.
I’ll take ‘Cap’ for 1000 please.